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Enhance cybersecurity and how the commission came about. Rose and a now fill by Mark Wahlberg and we were joined about the conversation about the patriots day film. If every day you turn on the news or open the paper theres another attack somewhere and we wanted to promote the message love will always win and wanted to come together and unite and how my town reacted in the face of terror it made me proud. Rose and conclude with andy cohen. I think its so egotistical to say my life is so interesting but ive now written three books about my life and have gotten over that thing and to give people a window on it but i write with a lot of humor and selfdeprecation. Look, i call the book superficial. Im trying to get ahead of it. Rose Sam Palmisano, tom don ilon and andy cohen. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose cybersecurity has become one of the greatest challenges facing this country. Last february president obama created a commission to address the growing threat. Earlier this month the commission on enhancing National Cybersecurity announced the findings in a comprehensive report calling for urgent action to enhance american Cyber Capabilities and president obama ordered a review of the Russian Election hacking and joining me is former ibm chair Sam Palmisano and National Security advisor tom donilon. Im pleased to have you both here. First briefly and then well turn to contemporary issues and come back to the report per se how this came about. Well, the president looked at what the challenges were and things that had been addressed in the first seven years of his term and determined there were a number of challenges and essentially what this was was a preparation of a transition memo for the next president. Rose jim clapper the director of National Intelligence has in the last presentations to the congression on the major threats to the United States ranked cybersecurity number one. Its not the case the country has treated it as the number one threat. We have far more resources and emphasis in mine share and attention to counterterrorism which is appropriate and Homeland Security than we were in terms of a range of dimensions really underfocussed on the cybersecurity challenge and there were a number of things to do to enhance it and thats how the commission came about. Rose what did do you . I was the private sector counterpart and looked at areas to focus on. Primarily in broad terms the issues around the security of the internet itself Identity Management and other things and the area where its no longer your phone or computer its cameras and sensors and traffic monitors and health devices. All those things now are potentially devices for a hack or some issue could occur. So in addition to that we were asked to look at government itself and the processes and how government responds to cyber versus counterterrorism and look at International Standards and consumer rose you had hearings . We started in new york with Financial Services and did a Tech Community at cal berkeley out on the west coast. We did the consumer in minneapolis and did a couple in washington. We had six. Rose are most people vulnerable . I think most people that are uninformed are vulnerable if youre aware of the technology that you can do things to protect yourself. I think its very important everyone understand that theres no 100 solution in todays environment for a cyber threat so theres great risk. Now, there are great benefits to the technology whether as the economic expansion, commercial terms, enjoyment, personal life issues what you do as an individual but everybody should be sensitive to the fact theres no 100 technical assurance it will not happen either to the company or individual. Rose tom, you dealt with putin and the chinese. You know something about their record with respect to hacking. Talk to me how you see the crisis we now face in terms of the president ordering an investigation into whether the russians hacked and finding out what was done and why and secondly cluck schumer, john mccain calling for a congressional investigation and have you congress saying they want to investigate coming up when they go back in january 3 and the new congress as well. What do you think is going on . Well, first of all the investigation is fully appropriate at this point last spring and summer you had some private sector organizations saying the russian entities, russiandirected entities that had long history of association with the Russian Intelligence Services were responsible for some of the hacking into the Democratic National committee and we had an extraordinary thing happen in october. Jim clapper who represents 17 intelligence agencies in the government announced publicly in fact the Russian Federation directed from the government itself was connect to hack in the election and the Cyber Commander said at the wall street journal ceo country you have a country that had interfered or tried to interfere in the election to get specific effects. The russians of course deny all of this and say we dont engage in cyber attacks. Thats not true. In my own judgment is that this is again, ive not seen the intelligence the subject of the debate but the broad matter theres no doubt i think the russians had been involved in trying to interfere with the elections here and its part of a broader strategic approach by the russians. This is information warfare. Espionage happens and the information was acquired and made public for certain purpose. Now, i cant judge the intent with specificity but clearly some intent was intended with respect to the elections and its part of a broader kind of confrontation were having with putins russia. Rose so theres no doubt that clapper is responsible they report to him and he reports to the president , correct . Correct. Rose theres no doubt in their mind there was hacking by the russians. Right. Rose what you have today is difference whether the intent was to help Donald Trumps election. Reports in the press say the fbi has not reached that conclusion but the cia has. I have no way to judge it at this point but the clear point is thats why there needs to be an investigation. Its an extraordinary thing. A foreign power in my judgment a power thats gone hostile to the United States since putin came into office in 2012 has attempted to interfere with the election in the United States. And we should find out exactly what happened, what the intentions were and what the effects were. Rose john bolton, for example, who may be trump appointed, the former u. N. Ambassador saying when the question came up about Hillary Clintons server had been hacked saying we dont know but the russians if they did it are smart enough now to not leave evidence. How are they so sure. Did they leave evidence on one side but not the other side . I dont know the details but i do know this is a process that takes into account all manner of information that have you access to and you put it together in an analytical judgment. Its not inconceivable the director of National Intelligence would say with high confidence the Russian Federation attempted to interfere if they didnt have a good case. Again, this is why the country needs to know the answer to the question. Rose its regardless of the motive the question is important if they can hack into the government. Were not debating the outcome of the election. We had an election and were Going Forward but its important for the country to know what the vulnerabilities were here from a technical perspective and its important from a Strategic Perspective to know whether or not the Russian Federation at puttin puttins direction off the direction of his people were directed. Rose you want to Alert America to the dangers of not being prepared for cybersecurity the question is how do you do that . Theres multiple effects and we need to meet with the president elects team and take him through the recommendation. There are steps in here any administration can do immediately and others will take time but theres things that can be done immediately in terms of establishing an initiative around at the public and private sector on Identity Management to make it harder to attack you and government can be the best practice and the internet of things so if you have a thermostat in your house or fitbit the security is designed and you basically and how to remove the vul neshtnerabilitie people who are sloppy with pass words and then theres the government itself and theres roles for government and ill talk about what they can do with the technology and tom can address the roles of the government and first consolidate the network and much like the militarys already consolidate and make it secure so that its very difficult now to get access into the government system through the network itself. Long term they need to fix their systems but in the short term they can make it harder to get in the systems. Theres recommendation what the News Administration should do. Rose and the conflict between Silicon Valley and the white house back then the Justice Department was to backdoor entry all kinds of things with the security for devices. If you think about it pragmatically and theres issues around Law Enforcement the only way to solve it is if the technical community, a lot of Silicon Valley, and the government come together. The big Research Universities but thats the only way to solve the problem. Rose whys it not been done . Why dont they come together. Because everybody realizes theres a problem with balancing security. The Silicon Valley and the mind set if you go back to tom watson senior who founded ibm they just want to be left alone. Now we have a Technology Version today and social Media Companies their preference is leave us alone. Thats their preference. So when things occur they dont want to be burdened by of the requested from the government that information they may have in their systems so they have a bias to leave me alone. The other bias is theres been situations to defend them for a second whereas the information they shared for whatever sets of reasons is used in a way that hurts their companys brand. We can share the information with the appropriate Government Agency and talk about information sharing but doing it in a way so brands are protect and doesnt impact their customer and revenue bases. The point were making it starts with collaboration, charlie. The key for the incidents when they occur is put the Network Providers as well as the Network Companies to share information in a way to do it in a secure way and a way that protect the companies from litigation, trial lawyers, etcetera and allows the government and appropriate authorities what they need to do their jobs. Rose Large Companies are hit theyll time in terms of people trying to attack them. But theyre better at it. Rose at the defensive measures . Yes. Exactly. Financial services as much focus as they have on them Technology Companies ideally are extremely good but then you put the banks up there with them. Theyre very very good. Our vulnerability is the Midsized Company and they need to create a standard for cybersecurity and adopt the same standards the large guys use. Its very uneven in the United States and we try to identify the coming trends. Sam referencing the internet of things and the physical world and cyber world have converged. And we are trying to get security at the front end in these devices and simple things for consumers which is to tell consumers in fact here are standards and this device has met standards through an abling an fda sort of thing. When we were growing up if you had an appliance with an ul signal on it an independent organization you had confidence it was a safe device. We dont have that in the soft world or internet of things world and try to anticipate trends. You ask why it hasnt been done the incentive of the company is to get its product to market as quickly as possible. So what we are trying to do is put together structure and incentives and when the internet first came on it wasnt about security so were trying to get big trends right from the start. There was a big focus on energy and a star for devices think of it as a cyber star. Well have a cyber star so you as a consumer or Software Consumer will have a star you know it competes at some level of a standard of security and that would help educate the People Associated with that. The incentives are interesting. We debated this at length on the commission because we thought there should be marketdriven approaches rather than regulated because stuff moves too fast and what is the balance of the right level of incentives. We all agree including the private sector and the folks representing the government all agree we need to design it from security day one. Thats the most important thing. Educate the user and design it day one. Dont have it be an after thought as to products to be cleaned up later by the i. T. I did an interview and he said to me at the time what is in fact nsa doing and things about what were being accessible in phone calls and all that stuff he said to me at the time theres so many stuff about individuals out there and so many people have access to it its remarkable what you can find out. This is why we say you were aaware of aware of that you would take precautions like you do with your credit card. Of course you protect your credit cards. It should be the same thing. You can say well its hard to use. Its not. You swipe it and you click it with the chip. It can be simplified but the consumer we have a whole section of Consumer Awareness to educate the consumer to address these kinds of vulnerabilities. Number of things we talked about is trying to make the devices so that it is easier for the consumers to act in an appropriate secure way. Were trying to do deeper work to make devices easier to work and more natural for the security to use in a secure way. Rose do we have significant collaboration with the Tech Community . Yes, sure we do. I guess there were incidents along the way but at the end of the day i believe theres a good working relationship between the Tech Community and the government and in my old world you take dod or homeland or National Security theres been an excellent relationship and continues to be. Theres more to be done. One thing we called for is deeper and faster sharing and provide more incentive for companies concerned about certain vulnerabilities to give them more incentive to share with the government and some of the things now is the password. Our evidence shows if you look at the last six year most the major breaches were related to a flaw in identity. So there are offerings out there that can protect you. Authentication and we called for a process to get to that. Rose people saying do it now. Thats right. We call to develop the best authentication technologies you can and start with the government. The government has mass consumer citizens facing portal irs, health care, v. A. , we should set an example saying if you deal with those portals, those interfaces you need stronger authentication. We should make every federal contracted employee using it start moving that through. Its is an incredibly solution and if youre not doing it your making yourself vulnerable. Rose so when you travel to moscow or beijing do you use your cell phone or computer . No. They would give me a new one when i return. Clearly they were replaced. I also knew i was trained never leave the computer in your room someone can take your hard files. I lived in asia almost 35 years ago. I was trained back then not to do these things. Some of us were trained decades ago not to do these things. Rose when you were ceo of ibm theyd wipe your computer and phone and whatever else. And have a new software load, system cleaned up and secure. What they would do is and you can do it here but when you click on your phone theyd put software on your phone to monitor whats going on and once you come back to the United States and youre behind your fire wall theyre in the system at that point. Thats how they used to do it. Rose isnt that what happened at sony . Exactly but its much more sophisticated today. What tom referred to is much more sophisticated. Its hard to find out who it was for some of the incidents because theyll hijack somebodys server or i think they hijacked a server in japan or something and though it probably came from north korea but they hack a server and come in that way so if you track the server trends or the trails its hard to find exactly origination of it. Theyve gotten the nation states have gotten very complicated. If you undertook the steps we outline in the report and you actually can significantly enhance your cybersecurity. Rose ok. What happens now . You hope to have a meeting with the trump we want to meet with the president elects team go over the report and hope to hear from him in fact we were encouraged to get an audience of the appropriate people. Rose thank you. Have a good holiday. Rose thank you for the work youve done and the commission members. Its a great team. Rose stay with us. The Boston Marathon bombing claimed the live of three people and injured more than 150. The ensuing manhunt for Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev took days and the new movie is an homage to the city. Heres a look at the trailer. Why are you laughing . I look like a clown. Its the color. Come here. Give me a kiss. I love you. Hey, how many times you run this thing . Boston 18, 43 overall. Thats impressive, boss. [cheering] [ ] rose im pleased to have peter burg, Mark Wahlberg and former Police Commissioner ed davis. Were reluck reluctant as a bostonian to make the film too early. We realized it wasnt soon enough every day you turn on the news or open up the newspaper theres another attack somewhere. We felt we wanted to promote the message that love will always win and we need to come together and unite and looking at how my own city, my own town responded in the face of terror was amazing. It made me so proud to be a bostonian and i wanted to share that story with people. Rose cbs, 60 minutes you were solve how involved. We were producers on the film which for me as a writer was an extraordinary resource because when i wanted to meet people like the Police Commissioner, this gentlemen, ed davis and his counterparts in the fbi and others in the community 60 minute was effective at opening those doors and letting me get i think a candid relationship going with the commissioner early on which was very helpful in putting the movie together. Rose john goodman plays you . Hes an exceptional actor and hes a good man. Rose take me back to the time. What was youve never seen anything like this. You had no idea it would be possible for this to happen in boston. We prepare for possible terrorism but never think its going to happen to you so when i got there and saw they were ieds built to kill and maim people and had people dead at the scene i realized the enormity of the event and had a tremendous sense of urgency to track them down and get them off the street. Rose the response was you also have the fbi on site and theres a degree of conflict there. There can be. We worked together closely on a bunch of Different Cases but its a complex undertaking and theres always a difference of opinion and they came to the for in the investigation. Rose in terms of responding to a terrorist attack whats the plan . You need to i have plan and be prepared and know where your resources are and have relationships with the fbi and other responders, the people that will be your partners if it all go wrong. You need to know them beforehand. Cant introduce yourself the day the thing happens. Rose mark, your character is a composite. Focuses in on one officer at the finish line put in charge after the explosion and one on pursuit with billy evans and there in watertown when the other brother was captured. Rose who helped . You who did you reach out to . This say city you love. I reached out to everybody. The first person i spoke to was my parents priest. Rose what did he say . He knew my intentions in telling the story. I took pete to my neighborhood and to meet the ceo of the boys club and met with many different people and the officers and victims, their families, survivors. We had to communicate to everybody what our intentions were and they were extremely supportive because we intended to show people what boston strong really means. Rose you had acknowledged also there were people who holding you responsible for portraying in the movie yeah. They were happy that finally they knew who was in charge or who they could speak to and hold accountable so then they began reaching out to me and tell me what they were comfortable with and not and pete had the utmost respect and wanted to do whatever asked of us. Rose what was the challenge for you . I think when i had the privilege of meeting so many and im a new yorker but bostonians are friendly but also guarded and when we were trying to get information from commissioner davis and counterparts and certain victims and survivors they were people not inclined to tell us their story right away but once they did open up and started telling us their stories and we met people like patrick and jessica downs a young beautiful couple in the beginning of their marriage and were blown up and lost their legs we met them and saw their spirit and the inspiration they passed on to everyone. I think the biggest challenge was for us just making sure we did them proud and did the commissioner proud. Mark and i took that very seriously. We saw what theyd gone through. Our jobs paled in comparison to what theyd gone through. We wanted to make sure as though wed respected them and gotten it right. You said this was the most intense filmmaking experience of your life. Weve done three nonfiction films, about the oil rig and patriots day and theyre all intense but theres something about this story. These werent navy seals or oil rig guys but regular folks. Families out on one of the first spring days in boston enjoying themselves and suddenly theres blood and death and body parts in the streets and nobody was ready for it. That was very touching and to think about commissioner davis wake up going about his day and suddenly to be the guy that that happened on his watch and the president calls him whatever you need we have your back but you have so to solve this, go get him. The attorney general and Vice President it was an incredible unique experience. Rose saying were behind you, do what have you do to. Pledging all resources to the investigation. If we needed helicopters they did and the military was on scene with 1500 troops in hours. Rose some people felt it was too hard to relive this . We wanted to show the families of the victims, Law Enforcement and lone survivors before anybody else saw it and you cant expect them to say wow, i like the movie theyre reliving the worse dave their lives but to know we got it right and honor them and their loved ones that was very much appreciated. Rose how do you depict the tsarnaev brothers . Its hard to do research on those two brothers. We did quite a bit. Its hard to research them and not become fascinated. Its a very unique and bizarre situation. These were not like saudis that snuck in and blew up the towers. These were assimilated guys. One with us at u mass dartmouth and a ladies man and marijuana and the other was a boxer who wanted to represent the u. S. Olympic team wed see at starbucks. Rose how did they become ral radicalized . Through the internet seeing extremist propaganda online and its a refuge for people that are alienated if someone want to prove themselves they can go in this direction but any sympathy is nullified by playing a bomb behind two children and blew them up. Rose he knew what he was doing. No question. Rose hed take the lives of children. And he did. Rose is he talking . I spoke to a jailer and asked whats with this guy and he said hes a terrorist. Rose thats what he is and he knows it and acknowledges it. Its the only way to explain what hes done and how he acts in prison. Rose so you wanted to show the courage of boston strong. From the police to victims and those who lost limbs. Is it three . And some were near death. 42 were critical and dozens of amputations. Rose you wanted to show what . Courage. Courage. Hope. Recovery what real strength is and what real heroes are. Growing up in boston we always had iconic sports heroes and always put them up on a pedestal, ted williams, micky ward but to see women, men, from all walks of life running towards the problem redefined the term hero to me and gave me such a huge sense of proud to be from boston. Boston whenever i left and was outside boston early on it was about racial divide and all that stuff and seeing people come together from all walks of life, races, religions, coming to help filled me with pride and i wanted to see that and something where people said make sure you get it right and show people who we are and what boston strong means. Rose and how have they dealt with it those who lost a limb or child . Well, to see patrick and jessica come together and radiate so much love and light and hope and positivity is remarkable to me. When we saw patrick finish the race he ran the marathon this year on the running blade and to see him run into jessic and holding each other i felt like, wow. I find so much inspiration from them rose so what do we need to do to minimize this kind of thing . Obviously good intelligence is one aspect of it. We need to shut down the websites and the fbi has done an incredible job of doing so and we need to stay on top of this but we need to connect with people in the communities. We need to know the Muslim Community where some of this is sbub is bubbling up and we need to form relationships with them. Doak of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was thrown out of the mosque so we need to know everybody in the community. Rose this is a scene where they released the pictures of the subjects. We need you to release those pictures. If we release the photos now we have zero control. We may force home to react. Right now bostons working against us. In this city everybody want to talk. We hear lots of people talk but theyre talking about the wrong photo. Release the photos and sit back and listen. Let boston work for us. I understand boston but i cant snap my fingers. The decision go up to the attorney general. Ill call right now. This is my [bleep] city. Release the goddamn pictures. Rose if you were to make the film again what would you do different . Anything . Wow, thats an interesting question. Im very happy with the film. Rose its the film you intend to make . Theres so many people that played a Critical Role in this from the time the bombs went off to the time they captured the younger brother in the boat. I would have liked to have gone deeper. Theres a Young Chinese american who was carjacked by the two brothers who arguably was more responsible for not only capturing the brothers but they were on their way to manhattan and were coming here to come to times square and he had such courage and poise and in tel intelligence for the hour and a half while they gassed up and took his money atms and coming here to new york to kill him and planned the escape and what he did took such courage and he was as much as the part of the capture and an example of people who did so much. Rose when you talk to people they always say i did what i had to do. I was trained to do, what my duty was. All of that. The two of you, is it about the che chemistry and why do you Work Together so often . I love him like a brother and a great filmmaker and created a great environment and extremely collaborative and pushes you and brings the best out of me and i hope i do the same for him absolutely. But with these particular story we care and its about the people were honoring and we hold everybody up to that standard involved in the process. Rose its a remarkable story and opened in new york december 21 in l. A. And boston and nationwide january 13. Patriots day. Well be right back. Stay with us. Andy cohen here the former head of development at bravo and current host of watch what happens live and his new book is a follow up to 2014 the andy cohen diaries a deep look at a shal shallow year. Im pleased to have him back at the table. Welcome. Hi, charlie. Rose first of all, were you at all surprised at all to the reaction of the first book . No, i thought itd be great and really sell. Rose because its an interesting going on about peoples curiosity and you promote the hell out of it. And i think its a wellwritten book and funny. I loved warhols diaries when it came out and that what inspired me. Rose what did you like about the diaries . He took me places at a time in my life would have never have been invited to. 11 years of globetrotting and dishy and opened my eyes up to a world i wanted to live in. I think with my diaries its a world of celebrity and behind the scenes of a latenight talk show and producing the housewives and having a dog and having great parents. Its a wellrounded situation. Rose but have you moved into this place where you had the same kind of thing that andy had in terms of going from one new york event to another event with an insight into whats happening . Kind of. I think its also kind of a deconstruction of celebrity culture today from the Vantage Point of becoming a celebrity and dealing with celebrities and partying with them. Its all that. I was like wait a minute. Im now getting invited to this stuff myself. Let me start writing. Rose so when do you write . I write every night. I either jot down some notes or write a full just get it all out. Then i fill in the banks on airplanes which im on a lot. Go back to the last week or week or two and flush things out. And how much do you write . How much do i write . Rose is it one event . I could write three items or write nothing. It just depends what happened to me that day. Rose and you dont edit much . I did edit because it was almost two years and it was and i pulled out and took out days altogether that just werent interesting if things start to feel monotonous. I did it for the reader so it would be entertaining. Rose but theres no sense that ive gone too far . There were moment wheres certainly personally the vulnerabilities i reveal in the book i didnt in the past one rose about yourself . About myself and about some situations with other people i maybe wouldnt have put in the last one but i not you know, what i was in such a groove from writing i wanted to keep going and i felt like i had to deliver in a different way. If youre writing a followup you want it better and bigger and more interesting. You describe it as deep and shallow. Deep and shallow, much like me. I am high and low. I think thats what worked when i was programming bravo. We could have top shelf and project runway our emmy winning shows and mix them in with housewives and i have a radio channel on sirius and programmed with music and pop culture to dan rather talking about politics. Rose when you look at yourself now would you never want it give up the programming aspect of your life . You program bravo and i was a producer at cbs news as you know for ten years and then i just produced television for my entire career, 26 years. I could never give up that. Im a very active executive producer of my latenight show. Rose is it satisfying or simply gives you an opportunity to its both. Its what i wouldnt dial back. I could never say now you do it. I couldnt do it. Rose whats the Perfect Program for you . Well, my show is the perfect show for me because its just it allows me to do everything that i love and its just a silly fun half hour just product of my own imagination that has come to life for seven and a half years. Rose you werent doing that or were to do something in addition what would it be . For me id like to do good morning america. The hours are freaky for me. Youre a night all, charlie and youre up there i saw you yesterday morning. So i love the idea of that because you can talk about everything and learn about everything. Im interested in a lot. But for my current i dont know. Id kind of like to do a game show. Rose have you tried to create one . Im working on it. Ill get one. Yeah. Watch. Rose which one do you like . There are machinations in the book. Theres a moment where ill host a new version of match game. Its just fun to me. Rose did you believe your life is so interesting other people would be curious about my life or about my observations about others . Look, i think its so egotistical to say my life is so interesting people would be interested but ive written three books so im over that thing and yeah, to give people a window in it but i write with humor and selfdeprecation. I write the book superficial. Im trying to get ahead of it. Rose lets talk about other i invention us might have. Would you like to write a novel . Dan rather said he had been work on it and found every character talked like him. In my fantasy maybe but it seems difficult. I love nonfiction. I have a new imprint with holt rose imagine any surprise. I dont know id be good at a fiction writer. Rose so youre a publisher and looking for nonfiction books . Yes. Rose and have you some insight in terms of who people know that can tell a story. Do you go out and ask them to write the book or people come to you someone wrote a piece in the New York Times the other day that i responded to and i called him and said have you ever thought about this and we got together. Rose youre a oneman conglomerate. It depends on how you define conglomerate. Rose what did a documentary . I would love it 100 . Rose who would you like to be a documentary about . No one has done the definitive documentary youre going to laugh because its so whatever but on diana ross. Id like to do one on diana ross rose she use to live in my building. I know and i found out what building that was yesterday and i thought it was stupid to say i knew that and was afraid to ask you about that. I think if we talk about today thered be no beyonce if there was no diana ross. She was a ground break and i think she was a bit of a thug when she was in the supremes. Theres more to that story than i think has been told. Rose you also do public speaking. Anderson keeper and i are on tour together. Its called ac2 deep talk and shower pales. Im going with the deep and shallow thing and you can guess who the deep part and who the shallow part is and were for real great buddies and have a great time together and we said lets try it. So we booked a date in boston and a few more and a year and a half later the schedule is full up for 2017. Rose how many would you do in 2017 . I think we have 20 on the books. Rose do you walk out we walk out and tell stories about our lives and play well off each other. Its about being on the front lines of celebrity and world events basically. Hes funnier than i think people realize. Rose is it you interviewing him or him interview you. The first part is me interviewing him and be the he interviews me and bring in video clips and bring in the audience for questions and i drink stage and i get him to drink a little bit. Rose what do you drink . Tequila. Tequila and fresca. Its great. Rose what does he drink . I pour him the same. Its only the last ten dates on the tour i got him to start drinking a little bit. Hes a lightweight. Rose hes also doing a lot. He does a lot. We have friends who say the both of us you work too hard, certainly my parents say that to me, you dont get enough sleep and some people have judgment at me like, ugh your doing more and i sense judgment with them and i say you have to understand im living my dream. This is all stuff that i want to be doing and if six of the things were doing away and i was only doing one id still be happy. Rose but youre also saying its so much fun. Like you. Rose what could you be doing other than this that would be more fun . Name it. I agree. Im from the seacrestian model of more. Rose is any part of you lonely . Theres moments in the book where i come home from the show and im alone and like wow. This actually isnt great. I dont feel great. Rose i can call you and say hows it going . Text me. Rose texting say better way. Do you do phone calls . I do. Rose are you conscious of emails. A little bit. Rose would you and anderson ever be attracted to each other . We were set up on a blind date twenty something years ago thats how we met through a mutual friend. We didnt know each other in theory and i of course was excited because hes Gloria Vanderbilts son and heard he was smart and great and went to yale. He was just starting out his career and was on channel 1 and he said i jesgesticulated wildl rose that didnt work for him. And i guess i brought up his mom way too soon in the con voe but we wound up great friends. Rose can you something what you would do if you hadnt done the television thing. Part of me think id be a teacher. A lot of the work with the housewives is being a shrink. Rose andy cohen. Great to have you here. Continued success. Thank you, i appreciate it. Rose thank you for joining us. See you next time. For more about the program and early episodes visit us online at pbs. Org and charlierose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. A kqed television production. I was like sort of old fishermans wharf. Maybe a little like with a the calories, the cholesterol and the heart attack you might have. Like an adventure. Put it out of your mind. Oatmeal with a touch of dog. I did