For it not to be a problem. We look forward to sundays president ial election in france. Its kind of historic proportions. We are way beyond what happened in the u. S. Election and certainly what happened in the brexit vote. Thats why they dont want to sound too complacent about it because they want the voters to get out there and put the ballot paper in the box. But it has to come to turnout levels weve never seen before. We end with the broadway play oslo leading to the accord 1993. Its not choosing sides, its not saying so and so is right or so and so is wrong. The political act is to expands the kinds of things we see people on the stage. Healthcare, the election in france and the play oslo when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Good evening, im jeff glor of cbs news filling in for charlie rose. We begin this evening with politics. With every democrat voting no, House Republicans cheered as they vote thursday to repeal and replace the Affordable Care act, obama by a four vote margin. The bill now faces an uncertain future in the senate. Questions of how Many Americans will lose coverage and how much that coverage will cost. Joining me now is Nick Confessore of the New York Times. Im pleased to welcome him back to this program. Welcome. Good to be here. So lets talk about the time line a little bit. What sort of juice we believe the whitehouse has right now to get the senate moving quickly. I think the juice is the same in all cases. Theres a political imperative to get this done in the senate, to try to get some version of it done to pass it, to put the staff and say we did this, we repealed obama and replace identify it with something better. But theres also reality of the legislative counterthe timetable. The members going back home. If they cant get it done in the next freu weeks they have to wait much longer. Thats why you saw senator mcconnel to work on the proposal. This house bill isnt going to get very far as in the senate. Its what the House Republicans had yesterday and what the senate brings back. The republican bill was essentially designed for the conservatives in the caucus with enough extra things in it to get a few of the moderates on board to support it. So there was more money for these high risk pools for some states. A few billion dollars. Not the hundred Million Dollars or more that was required. Its basically a bill for the conservatives in the house. The senate is going to want a different kind of bill that row tech the moderate members and there are at least one or two republicans in the senate who are not going to go near anything like this house bill. 5248 is the split between republicans and democrats, youre not dealing with a real big margin of error. Its a very small margin of error. We now the senator from kentucky is coming from the right. He doesnt like how the bill was put together but the real hard question is on substantive grounds and care. Duty moderate members on the senate on the republican side seek bigger changes that then cant get reconciled back with the house version again. The cvo numbers are going to play into this. Whats the timing in terms of when we think we might get those and what the senate then does with those. This is interesting, right. So the cvo will add some table and move this as fast as they can. Sts or what its full impact is going to be. And of course a lot of house members hadnt read it. By the time the senate gets to work on this, it is likely well have some kind of cvo on the house version but of course its going to be totally different and that will have to be scored. The number before on the previous version of the bill that never was brought to a vote was 24 Million People losing coverage. And how is that affected under this bill then. This looks crazy. We dont know the answer to that question and they still passed the bill. There are a lot of reasons to think that the number could be higher, were not totally sure. It could be higher than the previous version. Some of the additional subsidies might actually cover and bring some of those folks back in. But the big thing that this bill does is it enables governors that make the expand to pull out of that expansion and basically change the Medicaid Program which result if that happens a lot of people off the program. Its a big question, mark which makes it so much politically risky to pass this in the first place. And to talk about some of the issues that obamacare has. But regardless, at this point, a lot of this is now seven years later is part of the system. The big lesson of health care reform. People are more afraid of losing whatever care they have than the new promise in a new bill. Its the inertia for the party to pass a big change. Guess what, obamacare is no longer obamacare. President obama is gone. Now its just care that people have and they are afraid of losing what they have even if there are people who find that the premiums are too high or they still have to paid them. There are ways to fix that. Im not sure that this bill is going to hit all those cylinders and prevent premiums to be prizing. Trumpcare. Some people are calling it that at least. Im not sure how he feels about that. Some called it the ryancare in some previous version. But he has that name now. If the republican healthcare policy right now they didnt bring it into the store but theyre about to knock it over and break it so they own it. Even if they dont change it, they own it. Thats whats so troublesome for the republicans. They are now the custodians for healthcare policy. They control both ends of pennsylvania avenue and its up to them. And they cant blame it on the democrats if it goes south. One of the part of this is not just when the senate takes this up and what it does with this and what they then return to the house. The senate does their own bill and is substantially different which it will be, they will pass them through both chambers again. Does the senate pull their version of the bill back to the left does that make it harder to pass in the house. There will not be a single democrat i believe in either house that will vote for this if it looks anything like that. Were in this era of a weird set of political assignments or political incentives. The democrats politically actually need this bill to be as bad as they say it is to actually reap any political benefit of it from 2018. If on the other hand it never actual passes in this form all the things nancy pelosi is saying how bad it is for republicans will actually come true. Theres a weird alignment the republicans didnt want to pass this as is but a lot of those republicans are hoping the senate makes major modifications to it. What is the general idea right now or suspicion about what then gets lost or adjusted in the senate . I think the previous rendition is the most important or politically important part of this debate. What the house bill does which is a little weird, it doesnt actually get rid of those protections but it does get rid of the Community Ratings which is a term that means the insurance cant charge you more than your neighbor if you have the condition and they dont. And that provides price protections. But the house bill does say the insurance can now charge you more and were going to throw some more money in the pot to help cover that but not really enough money. Your insurance might not last but you might not be able to afford your insurance if you had cancer insurance before. Look, theres also a weird loop hole in the house bill that could threaten Employers Health insurance which is not what we think about with obamacare. There are a lot of things were going to see more and more as it gets read and digested. The president said yesterday that preanl williams premiue going to go down and deductibles going down. You typically see those going in opposite directions at least when picking coverage. Im confused about and a lot of people are about how that goes down at the same time. Its not going to happen at all. There isnt really a free lunch in healthcare. They want to cover more people, you got to spend more money and someones got to pay for that. The way obamacare does it, is it charges taxes and more wealthy people provide that care. Theres no magic way to somehow make healthcare much cheaper or bring those premiums down and then also expand the coverage for everybody. The money has to come from somewhere. The republicans doing right now are getting rid of the Revenue Sources that tower and fund the expansion in the first place. Its interesting, this is such a partisan issue when they first passed obamacare which is a partisan issue as well which is trumpcare. Is there any scenario you see it becoming a bipartisan solution to what may be some problems in obamacare but away from what House Republicans passed yesterday. I think the scenario is republicans lose control of one or both chain bursts of chambers of congress in 2018. I think thats a scenario. The second scenario is i think democrats have actually won the intellectual war on this issue already. They won it when republicans decided or many republicans decided that it was part of their responsibility to broaden coverages and make insurance possible. That was a big intellectual leap with the republican party. Now theyre looking for ways to pay for it and make it work. Theres not really a good way to do that without having those revenue raises and taxes and expanding government programs. Democrats have them halfway. The question is what does the Program Look Like in five to ten years. Nick confessore from the New York Times. Thank you. With foreign news now voters in france go to the polls sunday and the final round of president ial elections. The choice is when far right politician Marine Le Pen and centrist candidate emmanuel macron. Im joined by so fee pedder, bureau chief of the economist and michiel vos, u. S. Correspondent. What is the mood on the eve of this vote. I was in Southwestern France for the very last rally, he has it outdoors in the beautiful evening. And i have to say that they are pretty confident now. If you look at the polling numbers in the last today which is the last day the polls are allowed to be published before france goes into a blackout perid, theyre having a voting on sunday, they give macron a 20 point lead. I think that hes quietly confident. A little bit nervous of saying that publicly but i think theres a confidence that they are now heading for a victory for macron. You can see here in his speech. He gave the speech which actually sounded very much like a speech a president would give after hes elected. It was hardly a Campaign Speech anywhere. It was about reconcile france, need to heal with divisions some of the campaign has thrown up and bring the french together and sort of unify the country after pretty tense and at times incredibly divisive election campaign. Its interesting. We talk about the city and she says she was in southwest france. The dividing here between candidates and voters and support has been significant, rural versus urban. Rural versus urban. Northeast rural versus the city or the southeast also, very heavy le pen, north east heavy le pen, of course macron. Its about anger, the anger people out there so to speak le pen. The people in cities feel more comfort many with him and theyll vote for him. Le pen needs a very low turnout. Any chance is the suspicion. Thats the suspicion. If she has a low turnout shell have a better chance. Shes swimming against the poll sort of speak. She wasnt helped in the past few weeks by a few mistakes. I thought she was overly harsh in the debate last wednesday the last debate in the intervening period between the two of them. There was a change of the guard at the head of her party, and of course somebody came forward to take over the baton of hers at the head of the party and of course he was linked to antisemetic comments and denying holocaust in the past. It hasnt helped, even though her message of im there for the people who feel fear of europe, of the other, of the banks, of the system, of the man so to speak whose holding you down, resonates with a certain part of france. So sophie, how much recognition do you believe there is in france of what happened both here and i should say in the uk with brexit. That was predicted to be a little closer. But in the u. S. President ial election as you know, Hillary Clinton was expected to win convincingly. Of course, people are very aware what happened last year with the brexit vote and the u. S. Election. And thats how theyve working the polls with lots of caution and superstition start. Its the nature. If we have polls that are much narrower, then i think people would feel that they couldnt possibly call the results ahead of time. But, if you look at second round since 1981 in france, polls only been off two points by average, less than two points and now were looking at a 20 point gap. Some of the polls have come up today friday have suggested its bigger, over 20 . It would take an upset of historic proportions way beyond what happened in the u. S. Election and certainly way beyond what happened in the brexit vote for Marine Le Pen to win. Obviously turnout does matter. He doesnt wowbility to sound too complacent about it because he wants the voters to get out there and put the ballot paper in the box. But the turnout would have to come down to levels we havent in seen before. The french are very dutiful, 80 turnout is an average. Most french people do actually go out to vote in the president ial election. And it would have to come right down to the 60s, 60 turnout for Marine Le Pen to get over the 50 majority. So mathematically, of course its still possible but politically i just cant see it happening. Interesting how 60 turnout to be impressive. It would be in the 6040 range. He has been leading basically all the time. Hes been critiqued for being a little too joyful after the first round. He was partying a little too hard and looking a little too president ial already then he sort of made a weird visit to a factory two weeks ago where he got into i think a sort of unscripted exchange, Testy Exchange with workers. That would never happen in american politics, president ial politics. That was a little unprepared i think but at least he went into the debate. He said you dont into debate with le pen, you suck up the fear of people and use it for electoral purposes. I think in the debates he said youre vague on everything you dont have a real program youre not precise. And by the way youre tied to that name, that tradition, le pen, le pen. He keeps saying le pen. Of course her father and the holocaust denial, asterisk quoations of that. And it was bubbling up. Shes been trying to get rid of that. We know all of that of her party. It didnt really work. It keeps coming back up. Sophie how effective in your opinion has marine has been distancing herself where she feels she needs to. I think there was a feeling she had made great progress doing that. Over the last year or two, i dont know that since she took over the presidency of the party in 2011, shes been invited into tv studios, she takes debates. People dont think its shocking to have her taking part in the kind of democrat process. Shes been received by the president. Shes been treated as sort of almost a leader of an opposition party, which she isnt because she dont have two deputies in the insure awe sense me. What this campaign has been so revealing, where its been so revealing is the unearthing her father in terms of the sort of rhetoric she uses, the imageries she uses. Some of the people who sit around her in a circle who have pretty untoxic past, how much that is still part of what the National France is all about. I think that this has been a very important for the french to sort of see that and see it all coming out and realize shes put a certain amount of distance between herself and her father but its not been a complete process. And that really has e marijuanad over the alaskanal weeks. One point i wanted to answer these last couple weeks of campaigning which have been very interesting with the character or the personality of emmanuel macron. Before this Campaign People thought he didnt have the capacity to be decisive or sound like somebody they would trust for the presidency. The frefn like the president to embody the nation, to be a kind of figure that they canty as representing the down tree but also they put a huge amount of trust in. And in two episodes this week, one that michael just mention, the visit to the factory. I was there when he did visit. It was a hostile union strike out side a factory gate in factory thats about to be moved to poland for lower cost production site. He was quite brave frankly because this was an area you couldnt secure. His security detail couldnt in this area. He spent nearly an hour arguing with the unionists there. Hes somebody who wants to take on the argument and to be quite brave and tough. You see that in the debates as well. There are two episodes, hes sort of grown as a candidate in these two weeks and i think that that has reassured a huge number of french people about the president he might be. At 39 years old. Yes. At that debate, they stood this close. And he calls her to her face, the High Priestess who sits opposite of me. Thats a real debate. Its not like standing next to each other in room. They debated and he keep out strong in that pea bait. How much has he or his campaign touted any obama comparisons that have come up. Hes been embrace the by sort of the elite. Hes been painted as the elite, as the crown prince of the elite by le pen. It works both a little for him and against him. Theres been in the press that hes almost too much of an american product of marketing, of slick, of talking on both side of the issues. Theyre not comfortable with him. But they have no choice. They cant go her so they have to stick with him even though they dont really trust him. Even though hes right shes come out strong in the past two weeks as sort of the father of the nation, whatever that me