Been working on for many years. Rose we continue with salma hey yak and john lithgow. Were both very however gripping to see characters from two completely different and almost opposite worlds engaged. You dont see that in movies. You dont see it in plays or in real life. Rose we conclude with don auerbach waiting on a song. Its that Creative Process im so addicted to and thats the beautiful thing about it. Rose georgia election, north korea, salma hayek and john lithgow and dan auerbach. All of that when we continue. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with politics. Republican karen handel defeated Democrat John ossoff in the special election run off in georgias sixth Congressional District yesterday. It was the most expensive house race in the history. It drew national attention. Viewed it as a referendum on President Trump and his agenda. For democrats ossoff lost raises questions about its strategic and leadership. It may the strengthen efforts to push their ambitious legislative agenda forward. And the president is all smiles. Joining me from washington to talk about the results of this race and what it mean for both parties is al hunt from Bloomberg View and phil rucker from the washington post. Im pleased to have both of them on this program. Albert, tell me what this means for the republicans, for President Trump. Well for the republicans an escape for what would have been a devastate dealing feet. Democrats are demoralized not because they thought they should win this race but because they thought they were going to win the contest and it would send shock waves through the political system. It would energize their base, bring in more money and it twenty two really set panic among the republicans and Congress Might even effect passage of the healthcare bill in the senate and various members will be debating how much do we distance ourselves from trump. It didnt happen. It was a lost opportunity for democrats. Im not sure it says republicans are in much better shape than they were two days ago but they certainly dodged the bullet in georgia. Rose it was a lost Opportunity One because they had a lot of money. They had a lot of money. Both sides had a lot of money. Money wasnt a factor and i suppose democrats will still be able to raise as much money they want. Perhaps they would have raised more if they had won. If they had picked 25 districts on november 20th after the president ial defeat it was the most likely and most competitive they could take back in 2018. This probably wouldnt have been. But within the next year and its the kind of district where republican leaning the highway educated if they want to win back the house they have to win some of these seats. Rose what kind of candidate did ossoff present himself to be. Was it good enough to win a republican. He was a fairly ineffective candidate actually. He seemed like a poor fit for the district which was a highly educate district but also suburban. These are Traditional Chamber of commerce moderate republican and ossoff was this young guy who didnt really seem to have natural roots in the area and was easily tagged with being an associate of nancy pelosi and all the National Liberal democrats. I think the way he ran this chain was really troubling for democrats because there was a huge opportunity. This was a district that only went for trump by one percentage point back last fall. And weve had five months of really horrible headlines in the news about the Trump Presidency and the administration. The republicans should have been very vulnerable here and the democrats were just not able to take advantage of it. Rose that raises a very basic question. Can they run on an antitrump campaign or do they need to point out that they are in favor of. Do they need to have an active agenda as to what we believe in not simply that were against trump. Youre exactly right. I think no, being just antitrump is simply not enough. They need to have fresh ideas, fresh thinking, fresh leaders, a fresh face. The Democratic Party of Hillary Clinton and nancy pelosi, they are trying to do that, trying to reinviggo rate this party come up with new ideas but it has to be more of an agenda than simply hashtag resist and Resistance Movement to trump. Thats not enough. Rose who are those leaders out there trying to figure out where does the Democratic Party go. Let me get to that in a minute charlie. I agree with phil you cant just run an antitrump campaign. Im not sure thats what ossoff d he had deficiencies as a candidate. Polls showed trump dropping 9 points in the last few months. He was not popular in this district. Karen handel didnt campaign with trump. She had him in for a fund raise her. This doesnt tell you much about trump. What it tells you is republicans can win when they dont face a good candidate and it doesnt matter if trumps an albatross. For those leaders they need new faces, they really do and the problem is neither pelosi nor schumer has done young congressmen who are attractive, congress women. And when the fast is pelosi and hoyer and schumer, great politicians thats not the face of the future. Rose phil at the same time, should donald trump, should he say to himself this morning look i keep telling you, i keep saying to my base and my base is strong, and so well get to whatever our problems are, well get through them and well build an agenda. Weve got perhaps something coming out of the senate on healthcare. Well get trump through tax reform and well get to infrastructure and all those things. But things are not as bad as it seems because i dont have any strong legislative victories to point to. Thats exactly what the president is thinking and saying today. I talked to a number of white house officials today who say that same point. Theyre saying look this is proof, this is evidence that the country doesnt really care about russia and doesnt care about all the things that us in the beltway are upset about in the media. Thats a flawed analysis. I think there really are vulnerabilities for President Trump in the country. The Approval Rating is historically low for the president and theres resistance to his leadership style and some of the decision hes made in office. I think in order to satisfy his base and keep them galvanized and energized, hes going to have to accomplish something. My colleague Jenna Johnson was out talking to Trump Supporters and voters and again and again she was hearing that people just want to see him govern, they want to see him get things done. So far theres no big signature ticket item and he needs to have that. Rose can he though, as you say that, can he make the argument look id have a lot more done if i wasnt distracted by these investigations and all this stuff which theres no evidence yet presented that i or anybody on my team colluded with any russians anyway. Thats exactly his kneeling about it. He feels like this russia cloud. Thats the word that he has used stands in the way of his agenda is blocking him from being able to achieve great things as president. But hes going to have to find a way to muscle through it and compartmentalize whats happening with russia and i say russia broadly, i mean russia comey everything prevent that from affecting the legislative agenda which theyre trying to move forward here with healthcare and tax reform later this summer and infrastructure down the road. How do you see that . Well, i think phil makes a good point. Almost all of these, of this cloud, if you will, if he can self inflict a cloud, hes done that. And i think the russian issues going to be there. Im sorry, theres a highly respected incredibly effective special counsel, what he finds hes going to find. Trump can say whatever he wants to say. What they have to do is put together coalitions of republicans, if you will, to be able to pass healthcare and any kind of tax reform. I dont think theres any chance in the world theyll pass any real tax reform this year and healthcare is dicey. They might get it through the senate. How they get conservatives and moderates to agree the senate final version i dont know. But i think russia becomes an excuse rather than an impediment for trump. Rose albert, thank you, phil, thank you very much. Thank you charlie. Rose well be right back, stay with us. We turn now to north korea 22 american student died on monday less than a week after being brought home after being held captive for 17 months. He had been in a coma at least for a year leading up to his death. They were quick to condemn north koreas treatment. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson the u. S. Holds north korea accountable for its unjust treatment and unjust imprisonment. While john mccain called his death murder by the north korean regime. This is tension between north korea and u. S. Relations. They pressed their chinese counterparts are for more thats correct on north korea to rein in on his pursuits. Chinas efforts will help out with north korea has not worked out. Joining me from washington david sanger. Hes National Security correspondent for the new york times. From flash Christopher Hill hes a former ambassador to south korea and currently the dean of the International Studies at the university of denver. I am pleased to have both of them. Let me just begin with this what. What has this done in a serious way to the ongoing lack of relationship between the tension of north korea and the United States. Do we expect the United States because of the death of this young man to take measures that that it had not been prepared to do before. Chris. Im not sure this horrible incident is going to affect the overall lack of u. S. North korean relationship. The lack of that relationship is caused by north koreas pursuit of Nuclear Weapons. They have shown zero interest to the negotiation. Frankly theyve shown zero interest in any serious discussion about a scuk about Nuclear Weapons. Instead, theyve wanted to talk to us as one Nuclear Power to another. The u. S. Has worked dill jectly with china. They dont have much to show for it to be sure but i think that further, that is further exacerbated the u. S. North korea relationship. So even if they had returned otto warmbrers, this isnt going to lead to improvement. Theres a sense in the Trump Administration theres just nothing that can be done with north korea. I think youll see them doubling down really on china notwithstanding the president s tweet. Rose david. I think theyll double down. I read the tweet differently than chris did. I read it that the president who had said to me in an interview last year he thought the chinese have complete control over the North Koreans is now coming to the conclusion that every one of his predecessors came to which was the chinese control may not be complete and that even if it was, they are unwilling to use it because they dont want to destabilize north korea and have a collapse with north korea on their border and perhaps absorbed by the south. The one tragedy and its a huge tragedy as more to the emotional impact here. Remember when the president decided two months ago to bomb syria, even if he did it only for an evening and did it only in one facility, he did it in part because of the emotional impact as being children who has been suffering most and killed by syrian chemical went instances. The conversations he had with the warmblers may have severe impact on his thinking. We dont know if the president is driven by these kinds of incidence but the early indications are it does have an impact on him. Rose chris, what would make a difference to him if anything other than a military start. First of all, it is not at all clear there is anymore of a military option today than there was yesterdays. I mean a military option is extremely problematic given the 20 million or so south koreans who are in harms way. So any kind of direct action of that kind by the u. S. Would have to involve some kind of process with this new south korean government. I think its going to be a very delicate game working with this government. Of course the south korean president will be in town in washington next week but i think its going to be, require a lot of tact and some will deft approach which im not are sure the Trump Administration has been able to display. So i think its going to be very difficult working with the south koreans and at the same time i think when the Trump Administration looks at north korea, theyre not really sure that they have much to work with there. What could move the North Koreans, its hard to say but i think really a prolonged and deep and clear bilateral understanding between the u. S. And china will eventually get their attention. Now whether thats on a track that would move as fast as north Koreas Nuclear aspirations, its hard to say. But i think when the North Koreans get the point that the chinese really are serious and that the chinese and the u. S. Are consulting on ways to directly impede and repardon that program i think that would start to get their attention. This requires i think a real full corps press with all hands on deck approach with the chinese. And there again, i think this administration has difficulties with that kind of sustained effort and simply dont have enough of a team to do that. Rex tillerson is drawn in six different directions. He really doesnt have the people to draw on. So i think they are together going to find that this issue that they kind of fingered as their number one issues is indeed going to do that. They could be looking at a north korea deliverable weapons within a part of their first term. You know charlie, i think this administration that right now views it self as having been unlucky enough to be sitting in office at the very moment that the North Koreans were about to go merge two technologies theyve been working on for many years. One of those is shrinking a Nuclear Weapon to the size that could fit atop the war head of a missile and the other is getting that missile out and shooting it as far as the continental United States even if it is the United States just showing it has the capabilities. The thinking is everything changes at that moment, it was then vulnerable to such a weapon. Now theres an America First element to that, because the japanese and the south koreans had been vulnerable to north korean missiles that probable can have Nuclear Weapons on them for some number of years. But clearly President Trump has said he cannot tolerate this. And president obama before him said he could not tolerate this. So what did obama do . He refused to negotiate with the koreans but we did accelerate in the previous shows a Cyber Program that was aimed at trying to sabotage their missal launches. And then 2014 and last fall, that looked pretty successful. In the most couple months, and going on mr. Trumps time in office, the North Koreans had been more successful now at conducting tests, mostly with new solid fuel rockets. And if the American Program is still active, and we believe it still is, it has been less successful so far. If i had to bet on that end of it, youre going to see President Trump reach for the cyber option even more aggressively. Its the only thing he can do shy of a direct attack that has all the effects and all the down sides that chris just described. Rose chris, on the other side as a diplomat is there anything you could offer him, not punish him but offer him, the carrot and stick thing here that might make him amenable to a denuclearization argument. Well first of all i think its po important to keep on the table the commitment to a negotiation of a 23450 clear free korean pense law. I think even the Trump Administration is able to do that, its not off the table. Thats important to say even if we worked much more assiduously with the chinese, not so much on looking for ways to coach the North Koreans back to the table but rather looking for ways to retard program, whether Cyber Attacks or whatever, the space between peace and war. So i think we have to do both. I think we need to signal to the North Koreans that we will, we will be receptive to an approach, provided they understand that they cant just come to talks and say were a Nuclear Power now were going to deal with you as the soviet union does with you. So i think the problem is north korea has failed to make any kind of commitment or at least kim jongun, i think his father was looking at a solution but he does care what china thought. What is quite striking about this new north korean regime is they dont seem to care what the chinese think. So i think the chinese are going to have to get their attention and be far more aggressive than theyve been. The problem there is i