Security correspondent david martin. If the assessment by the Pentagons Defense Intelligence Agency is accurate, north korea has crossed a crucial but not the final threshold in developing a Nuclear Weapon that can threaten the american homeland. Shortly after word of the new estimate leaked, President Trump warned kim jong un in the starkest terms possible. He has been very threatening beyond a normal at the sam statd as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. More than a year ago, kim jong un showed off what he claimed was a Nuclear Device small enough to fit atop a missile. North korea already has conducted five underground nuclear tests, the last one estimated to system to hit the target. Without that north korea does not have a workable Nuclear Weapon. But the Defense Intelligence agency estimated north korea could have a reliable weapon as early as next year. A full two years earlier than previously forecast. Intelligence estimates can turn out to be wrong as the u. S. Learned the hard way in iraq, but the latest estimate combined with the president s words leaves no doubt north korea will be his final test of charged in chief. David mentioned the u. S. Bombing of hi rosh ma. President trumps rhetoric sounded like a speech harry truman gave after the first u. S. Atomic bomb strike at hiroshima. If they do not accept our terms, they may expect a rain of war from the air the like of which has never been seen on this earth. Behind this attack will follow sea and land forces in such numbers and power as they have not yet seen. Asking if the president was looking toward war, Kellyanne Conway said there was no explaining. The president s comments were strong and obvious is. Daryl i. S. I. S. Compared it to the most dangerous cold war confrontation. It represents the greatest crisis undoubtedly since the cuban missile crisis. This is something that can hit us and our allies and its with a rogue nation that we suspect would use it. The president s words contrasted shopperly with secretary of state Rex Tillersons declaration last week that the u. S. Was open to negotiations. Were trying to convey to the north koreans we are not your enemy or your threat. Plump ignored basic illustration policy on sensitive north korea information. Earlier in the day he retweeted a report on u. S. Satellite imagery of north korean conventional missiles prompting the response from u. N. Ambassador nicky haily. I cant talk about anything thats classified and if thats in the newspaper thats a shame. Rose we begin with the future of the Democratic Party, joining me is mike barnicle, neera tanden. Theyre in bad shape now and we talk about washington. There have been parties in worse shape in washington, the republicans in 1975, but theyre in bad shape all around the country. The republicans control 34 governorships with a switch in West Virginia this week, control 69 of 99 state legislators its a party that doesnt have a very good foreign club now. Ideas matter. They have to develop a better message. Rose we continue with a look at the film good time. We tack to Actor Robert Pattinson and film making brothers josh and benny safdie. Loneliness suddenly hit. He doesnt know quite how to process it and the only thing he really has is just a sibling and thats it because the rest of his family clearly has nothing to do with him. But, yeah, hes he doesnt actually want to love his brother for his brother, he just loves him because its his. Rose we conclude with a remembrance of Glen Campbell, died today at age 81. We talked to Patrick Doyle of Rolling Stone magazine and a portrait of Glen Campbell from anthony mason, the anchor of cbs cbs evening news. He had a very clear tenor voice but he had all this emotion behind it, and you could hear the sadness in his voice, and it was just a lot of strings and slick music, but the songs were so good. Rose the future of the Democratic Party, the movie good time, and remembering Glen Campbell, all of that when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose 200 days into his administration president Donald TrumpsApproval Ratings are the lowest in history. Meanwhile the Republicanled Congress has failed to achieve a single major legislative victory, yet the Democratic Party still struggles to define itself and formulate a cohesive strategy. A recent Washington Post poll found 52 of americans think that the Democratic Party just stands against trump. Party leaders recently laid out their economic agenda in a plan called a better deal. Senator Chuck Schumer wrote a recent oped outlining the plan that his party had failed to articulate a strong, bold, Economic Program for the middle class and those working hard to get there and vowed theyd not repeat the same mistake. Joining me al hunt of Bloomberg News and neera tanden president of the center for American Progress. Joining me in new york senior contribute of msnbcs morning joe mike barnicle. Where is the Democratic Party. Theyre in bad shape now. We talk about washington. There have been parties in worse shape in washington, the republicans in 1975, but theyre in bad shape all around the country. The republicans control 34 governorships with a switch in West Virginia this week. They control 68 of 99 state legislators. Its a party that doesnt have a very good foreign club now. Ideas matter. They have to develop a better message. 2020 is much too early to talk about. Theyll do well next year because its an off year and they have a lot of negative stuff to run against trump on, but that you have to start to develop a party around the country which they have been totally outgunned by the republicans over the last ten years. Rose neera . Same question. I mean, i dont disagree with al. I do think that the party, a little bit like the Republican Party during the bush years, but the party does not have enough governor seats, locked out of a lot of state legislators particularly in the midwest. There are 36 governors races in 2018. The entire midwest is up. Important states like florida. I think the governors races will be a critical test of what ideas democrats have to not just fight against trump but to be an alternative. Rose do you think there is time and we will now see as the Democratic Party struggles with its identity and with its program and strategy that well see a new generation come to bear and will no longer be other people like those who have been in leadership positions like the clintons and others . Absolutely. It is really early to talk about 2020, but i think there will be a range of people m people who are in their 40s and early 50s who are positioning themselves to run and who are running and, most importantly, for the governors races, there will be a whole new generation of people running for those important seats, and the ideas that get meeted out on the economy, on jobs, in the governors races i think will be more important than the president ial race is very far away. I think the health care bedate was a critical one for democrats. It did position democrats as fighting for a really bread and butter issue for american families. People saw health care in the vain of what it means for them personally and that fight was i think really important first fight for democrats as they face the trump administration. Rose mike, when you look at some of the special elections that have been held in which republicans have won for them, part of the problem for the democrats some think is they ran on an antitrump strategy and not a presentation of how they speak to the issues of concern for the voters in those districts. Largely, i think thats probably an accurate assessment. I think, you know, neera and al have addressed part of the problem, but i think the larger problem for the democrats is they basically have to answer a question individually and collectively as a party, who are you, what do you represent. If you look at the republicans who win these races, the special congress nails that have been held or a lot of the governorships, they run against government, that government is your enemy, government has failed you, government has overpromised, government has overspent and a lot of people buy it and the democrats, first of all, have got to get young, younger. No offense to, you know, nancy pelosi or anyone else, but they have to get younger. The message has to be more encompassing, its got to be economic, its got to be cultural, its got to be soacialtion its got to address things like educational reform, what robotics are going to do to your job, what Artificial Intelligence might do to your childrens jobs. Whats going on in your kids schools, do you have daycare . Can you afford childcare . A whole range of social issues, they have to be unafraid to wade into that. Rose why didnt Hillary Clinton wade into that . Everybody knew income inequality was a huge issue in america. You know, charlie, caution is a great thing to hold up at a school crossing, you know. Caution is not great thing to have when youre running for president for basically the third or fourth time. Thats what she was doing running basically saying it wants my turn and she would have been certainly qualified to be president but i think a lot of people said, huhuh. Rose youre not the candidate for me, thats not what i want, i want Something Different. Yeah, and, unfortunately, trump gave them something they thought was different. But a lot was based upon his opposition and rhetoric, antigovernment rhetoric. Rose what are the go ahead neera. I guess i would disagree with a little bit with that, which is to say i actually think donald trump did really well with a lot of people who voted for obama. I mean, a fair amount of the electorate switch particularly in midwest states, peening people who voted for obama twice and voted for donald trump because they didnt see him as a traditional republican, and i would argue he actually campaigned sort of antilibertarian message, he supported Social Security and medicare and medicaid. He was going to be a lot tougher on trade than republicans have certainly been in the past. So i actually think that you know, mike is absolutely right that in these special elections weve had, kind of message of antigovernment that republicans have been campaigning on have been important, but there are 20plus republican districts, very disproportionately republican. I think the issue for democrats is and i agree with mike. I think the issue with democrats is what do you stand for. I think the argument that Chuck Schumer and others are trying to put forward is the Democratic Party has to stand with the middle class, with working people against the kind of, you know, large corporations that have been, you know, to coin a term, rigging the system against them. Thats why they put forward ideas on antitrust and other ideas like that. I think that were in the middle of the debate and we really believe i think jobs are an essential element of this. But i actually think trump did Something Different than most republicans, very different from romney. He was not a libertarian candidate. He may be governing like one now, but, you know, he said he was going to have an even better Healthcare System for voters, not a worse one. So i think, you know, we have new data that shows people are actually more open to government solving problems, but democrats do have to have app answer on how they will make peoples lives better. Rose wasnt the campaign of donald trump simply a campaign of promises . I mean, promises contradictory with builtin conflict that you couldnt do the kinds of things he was promising because often they were at opposite ends against each other. At least, i think in some areas we saw this when talking to voters afterwards, you know, they liked trump, the new voters for him, the obama voters who were disproportionately white voters in the midwest, ohioans wanted 15 points for trump. Sounded like he was against cutting entitlements, medicare, medicaid, Social Security, he sounded different in those areas. In some ways he sounded like a traditional republican. But i actually think you know, ultimately, he basically said to voters who were struggling, i understand youre in pain and im going to do something about it, im going to do something radical. Im going to tear up territory to immigrants, i dont like the answer but ill ban immigrants. Democrats have to have a better answer for the voters who feel like theyre suffering in an economy that hasnt done well for people particularly who havent gone to college. Rose al . Charlie, i think we miss a little bit of the point here. I think good president ial candidates, if we want to jump ahead, convey a message that they connect to people. Ronald reagan did, barack obama did, donald trump did. I havent his particular position on trade or Social Security. Lord knows Hillary Clinton had a 17point program for every problem that existed and a few that didnt. So i dont think its the specific items. I think its what they convey. Trump, and i think it was a phony message, but he conveyed a sense of were going to make America Great again. Reagan, were going to make america strong again. Barack obama, hope. So thats what the democrats needed in the long run. In the short term, they can be negative in 2017. Every offyear election, the party out of power is negative and they pick up on the advantage. The optics are important. The democrats too often look old. Im not an ageist because that would be against my selfinterest, but i thought the better deal was fine, but a little less of nancy pelosi, a little less of Chuck Schumer, more of pamela harris, of kirsten gillibrand, cory booker, seth moulton. They dont showcase their talent as well as the republicans five or ten years ago with the paul ryans and the marco rubios. So i think optics matter and in the long run hope they can develop a candidate who can connect to people the way the successful ones have done in the past. The optics are critical, al is absolutely right, and i think part of the optical problem the democrats have, when you listen to people when youre walking around, is the Democratic Party, the party they belong to and vote for barack obama maybe twice and their Parents Party for years and years a lot of the national democrats, they feel, pay more attention to Silicon Valley and peel a lot of the republicans, especially donald trump in his fraudulent way that he did, artfully but fraudulently during the campaign, is he managed to, without saying it, identify with a huge, huge percentage of people in this country who suffered grievous losses in 2008 and 2009. They lost jobs, they lost income, they lost retirement savings, they lost their homes, imany of them, and a lot of them also put their sons and daughters at risk of losing them in a war thats being fought for 16 years. These are the people, the composition, the basis of what the Democratic Party used to be, and they fled because of optics. I would like to agree with mike and say its not just optics. I agree with the substance which is essentially weve had massive transformations in the economy that particularly people who havent gone to college are bearing the brunt of. The reality is in the United States today that the Labor Force Participation rate, the number of people, the percentage of people actually in the labor force who should have jobs, that rate is lower for people who dont go to college and for people to go to college, its basically can you believe, people who arent in the labor force. Its lower in france today. I think that is a really big challenge for the United States. And those people have been suffering. And the essential issue is our unemployment numbers kind of mask it. Our g. D. P. Numbers mask it, but if you havent gone to college, this economy has been really tough. Income real income has declined over the last 15 years for those folks and i think trump actually spoke to them. I think the reality is that we have technology, globalization, these are trends that are creating incredible pressure, particularly for people at the low end of the skills situation, and the reality is we dont candidates havent give an great answer as to what to do about that. You know,ening we have to really think about different kind of answers like public jobs for folks, jobs in infrastructure, jobs in childcare, jobs in hospitals. Largescale investments. But the current economic debate and the one that we had for the last several years has been pretty limited, and i think trump put out some radical answers on trade and