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KQED PBS NewsHour October 28, 2013

Ifill those are just some of the stories were covering on tonights pbs newshour. Major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by bnsf railway. United healthcare online at uhc. Com. And by the alfred p. Sloan foundation. Supporting science, technology, and improved Economic Performance and Financial Literacy in the 21st century. And with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. And. This program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. And by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Ifill european governments lodged new complaints on both sides of the atlantic today over u. S. Surveillance. They followed more disclosures linked to the National Security agency. Newshour correspondent kwame holman begins our coverage. In madrid the u. S. Ambassador to spain james crossoes ignored shouted questions about how his meeting at the Foreign Ministry went. He had been summoned after the newspaper el mundo reported the nsa tracked more than 60 million phone calls in spain just from december 2012 to january 2013. Meanwhile in washington members of the European Parliament met with the House Intelligence Committee on u. S. Surveillance. Its just about trust. For the European Union to restore this trust to make sense of why the nsa surveillance was necessary, why its so disproportionate. There have already been revelations that the nsa collected the phone call gait of french and german citizens and of ger pan chancellor angela merkel. Over the weekend the german newspaper said merkels phone was monitored as early as 2002. And another german paper said president obama was briefed about the effort in 2010, much earlier than previously reported. The nsa denied mr. Obama was briefed that far back. While at the white house spokesman jay carney said the president recognizes the need for additional constraints on gathering and using intelligence. And were also reviewing these programs because the president believes its very important that even as they look to keep america and americans safe, that they do so in a way that reflects the sincere concerns about privacy that americans have and that our allies have. Back in berlin germanys interior minister would not rule out expelling u. S. Diplomats. Already in july i said during my talks in washington that it would be absolutely unbearable for us if german law was broken on german ground. Now it turns out that this was the case. Reporter which made it nearly certain that the fallout is far from over and that difficult talks lie ahead. To that end a delegation of u. S. Lawmakers plans to journey to brussels soon. Ifill well have more on how intelligencegathering is fraying relations with u. S. Allies, right after the news summary. Penn State University will pay nearly 60 million to 26 men over claims they were sexually abused as children. Former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky was convicted last year of abusing ten boys. They are among those settled with the university today. Well have more on the payouts and what led to them later in the program. A federal judge in texas struck down a new state restriction on abortion clinics today, one day before it was scheduled to take effect. The rule requires doctors to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. Opponents said that would force dozens of clinics to close. Another provision banning abortions after 20 weeks will take effect tomorrow. The Governments Health Insurance Exchange web site is back up after an allday outage sunday. It involved a Critical Data hub run by verizon. White House Press Secretary jay carney also acknowledged today that insurers are canceling thousands of existing policies, something the president promised would not happen. Its correct that substandard plans that dont provide minimum services that have a lot of fine print that leaves consumers in the lurch often because of annual caps or life time caps or, you know, carveouts for some preexisting conditions, those are no longer allowed. Because the Affordable Care act is built on the premise that health care is not a privilege, its a right and there should be minimum standards for the plans available to americans across the country. Ifill in some cases, patients will get better coverage at about the same cost. In others, theyll pay more. Chemical weapons inspectors in syria have failed to reach two sites on their list because its too dangerous. That means theyve missed an early deadline under a u. N. Mandate to destroy syrias chemical arsenal by mid2014. The organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons said today its experts checked 21 of 23 designated sites. Theyre still hoping for access to the others. Funerals were held across iraq today after the latest wave of attacks killed at least 66 people on sunday. Well over half the victims were killed in shiite neighborhoods in baghdad. Car bombs exploded over 30 minutes, targeting commercial areas. Meanwhile, a roadside bomb killed 18 people in a lawless district of eastern afghanistan. Most were women and children returning from a wedding. A hurricaneforce storm battered britain and Northern Europe today, killing at least 13 people. We have a report on the damage in britain, from tom clarke of independent television news. After hours of rain the worst of the winds arrived on the south coast in the early hours of the morning. By dawn westfacing sea fronts were still factors. Its agency was out checking the offenses but the winds were already moving in land. Overnight this was one of the windiest places, with gusts up to 80 miles an hour being reported. But the cutthroat flooding didnt happen, but what did surprise meteorologists was how the storm managed to sustain powerful gusts as it tracked across the south and east of england. As well as a fad all gas main explosion, falling trees killed two other people. A teenage girl was crushed as she slept in her caravan in kent. Another man killed when a tree fell on his car during rush hour in hartfordshare. Everywhere else the damage was general and random. Most buildings escaped unscathed except for those on under construction or not secured to the ground. With the most widespread impact was on people trying to get around monday morning. Trees blocking major roads was predictable enough but with 100 plus trunks and branches on the rail network, train disruption was far worse than most travelers expected. The storm has now moved off into the north sea. But the conditions that created it persist. Ifill german ifill germany was also hard hit, with widespread rail and air travel disruptions, and six deaths. Ellis island reopened to the public today, almost a year to the day since Hurricane Sandy hit. Water from the storm swamped the boilers and Electrical Systems of the islands museum that documents decades of immigrant arrivals. The site had no power for months after the storm. More than a million photographs and other artifacts remain in storage while renovations continue. Pediatricians are urging parents to limit childrens access to tweeting, texting, and other online activities to two hours a day. The American Academy of pediatrics published its new policy today in its journal pediatrics. The group noted that unrestricted screen time and communications have been linked to cyberbullying, obesity, and sleeplessness. Jury selection opened in london today in the first criminal trial triggered by a phone hacking scandal. Rebekah brooks and andy coulson are former editors of Rupert Murdochs news of the world tabloid, now out of business. They allegedly plotted to hack the phones of celebrities, politicians, and crime victims, and illegally paid Public Officials for information. Wall streets week started on a subdued note. The Dow Jones Industrial average lost a point to close below 15,569. The nasdaq fell three points to close at 3940. Still ahead on the newshour, how the uproar over u. S. Spying is straining relations with europe; new york city prepares for the next megastorm; michigans governor takes the stand in detroits bankruptcy trial; penn state settles with sanduskys abuse victims; a new book peers inside the Power Dynamics of the bush white house; and remembering a rock legend. Ifill friction among friends continued to grow today amid new revelations of the scope of u. S. Surveillance in europe. Left unresolved so far what sort of spying is acceptable . Here to tackle that are john mclaughlin, former c. I. A. Deputy director and then acting director. He now teaches at the Johns Hopkins school of advanced international studies. And Charles Kupchan, a member of the National Security Council Staff in the clinton years. Hes now a professor at Georgetown University and a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. Welcome to you both. From your point of view Charles Kupchan how damaging are these disclosures . The damage has increased over time. I think at the beginning there was a sense that obama could say this happens. Friends spy on friends. Theres nothing really out of the ode here. And i think the European Response was okay, lets sit on our hands and not cause a big stir. But now daybyday we get pore and more information. More phone calls that are tapped. Including the phone of chancellor angela merkel. And whats happened now is there is enough outrage in europe among the public that the european leaders have to react. And i think part of it is merkel herself is angry. And shes saying this has gone too far. Ifill its not just her, its others as well. Which begs the question why would the u. S. Tap friendly phones. And why wouldnt they react this way . Hmmmm, well, certainly you can expect them to react this way. Once anything like this is revealed, theres an obligation, i think, felt by those on the receiving end to say what theyre saying. So there is a little bit of indignation theatre going on here. Now that said, why would we do this, if we had done it and we have to bear in mind we dont know the details of this. We dont know what was collected. We dont know whether it was content or just lists of calls and so forth. But we share a lot of interest with the europeans over the last couple of years. There have been numerous reports of terrorist attacks being planned in europe. Europeans being involved in places like syria, as fighters and so forth. So in all likelihood, if were doing this, what were looking for is a body of information that the europeans themselve was want to have and that we would give them and do routinely give them about things that could happen in their country that would be injurious to their national interests. If thats true, mr. Kupchan, why would anybody stop now no matter what the outrage is. And how much of this really is shared . I dont think that anybody is talking about stopping it. And john is right that when you troll through a lot of traffic, sometimes you pick up things. And our Intelligence Service will pick up the phone and call the german Intelligence Service and help them prevent something from happening thats in the interests of all. But i think the question is, is the scale and scope of the gathering necessary. Are there ways to negotiate a code of conduct that would put certain limits on the gathering of intelligence. And we know those limits exist because for example theres something called five eyes. We have a gentlemans agreement with the british, the canadian, the new zealander, the australian society. Among friends theres a limit. We wont spy on your government, you wont spy on us. Ifill is that the kind of deal other nations are trying to get who are not part of this group of five, who want is that what is on the table for snerx . I dont think thats on the table for negotiation but i believe its out there as a request on the part of some countries. That we already have apart from the five eyes that charles talked about, we already have very robust, extensive Intelligence Exchange programs with nearly all of these countries. Does this change that, though, or do they get greater leverage in order to get that kind of access . I dont think its going to work that way i think what well see here is this will play out for a while and there is a great desire on the part of all these parties to get past it and figure out how do we get back to a situation where were dealing with each other productively. What kind of information are we talking about here that we are on the lookout for, assuming were not sweeping it all up. Is it Corporate Communications were interested in. No, no. Its not . No, what were looking for here in europe, i would put it in maybe three categories. First because i mentioned earlier, certainly terrorism information. Part of 9 11 was planned in europe. Right. We have to keep that in mind. Second, the way the internetworks, a lot of information flowing around the world probably passes through servers in europe. So much of the information were looking for may have nothing to do with europe. This may be i will makeup something here. Syria talking to iran, or russia or whatever. We may be looking for that and then notice third category, i would say, you know, our law is to fine foreign intelligence as information that helps the United States formulate an effective foreign and National Security policy. Were looking for that. So were looking for information that helps us. Ifill thats pretty broad though. Of course its broad. Were looking for information that help us understand how other countries think and how they plan to operate. And that can make our relationship with them much more affective and productive. Ifill is that what european nations are looking for as well . I think that european nations it are looking for some supervision and some limits. The nsa sucks in as much information as it does partly because it can. Partly because of new information technologies, the internet, wireless, cell phones. And the europeans simply have a political culture that is more sensitive to privacy than in the United States. Ifill so they handle their intelligence differently than we would necessarily. Well, they havent made much more progress on these kinds of issues among themselves than they have with us. They dont have an euwide approach to intelligence. They have their individual Member States but, for example, with us there has been a really tough conversation about air traffic passenger data, about Financial Data to track terrorism. We have said open up the books. They have said thats inconsistent with our priv is see laws. And they feel that starting with george w. Bush and continuing under obama, the United States has simply got the balance wrong. Too much invasion of privacy in the pursuit of security. When ask youed about whether they handle their information differently, i would say that no country in the world that i know of and certainly not even the European Countries has the kind of really intrusive oversight that we have here. And i support that. Nor does anyone have the sort of guarantees and protections against invasion of privacy that we have here. I mean many of these countries and there are exceptions among them arent nearly as faithful to those ideas as we are. Ifill is isnt the only reason we are talking about this now is there seems to have been an invisible line, well, not just that its been reported, but that were talking about World Leaders. Dianne feinstein came out this afternoon and said this is something we should not be doing, which is spying or listening in on what World Leaders and prime ministers are doing. Is that the bridge too far here . I think when it started it was mostly political theatre. It was european. Ifill european reaction, you mean. Yeah, they were saying our publics dont like this. They didnt know this was going on. We need to do something. Now that merkels phone has been tapped, i think she is furious. And so you have the political theeteder part, combining with the sense that i have been personally violated. And i think now the cat is out of the bag if you will. Ifill isnt the personal violation the key here when youre talking about prime ministers and president s and heads of state. Lets be year though. We dont know whether what was being done here was actually monster monitoring her conversation or collecting a list of her phone calls. And former secretary of state madeleine al bright commented that the french did this to her when she was u. N. Ambassador. Ifill and she objected to it at the time. And countries, they do this. So we dont know precisely what the nsa was collecting on angela merkel. Lets assume that there lets assume it was call lists. And lets assume that they saw that she was in touch with someone we were interested in, a leader in iran or in russia or somewhere, that maybe the other end of her call, that someone is interested in. And so its important for us to specify here. We dont know whether the content of her calls. Ifill it doesnt sound like you think we should roll back on listening in on leaders phone call, that that is a line that should not thats a decision for the president and it sounds like he is thinking about it. But which say is this if we do that we will unilaterally restrain ourselves and others will not. Ifill is that something european nations want us to do, to unilaterally restrain ourselves at least on this level. Yes. Which probably disagree with john here. I think that when it comes to the leader of france or the leader o

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