Magazine. His recent article is Rex Tillerson is still acting like a ceo. The secretary of at a time is second most important spokesperson of the government after the president. It is your opportunity, it is your job to get out there and talk about americas place in the world, about foreign policy, and one of the tricks that the last secretary, last five secretaries is of state have modeled is how you use that speech, that bully pulpit to gain influence inside the cabinet, inside the white house, you make yourself a force by your opportunity to speak almost distinctly on behalf of the United States. Rose we conclude with Daniele Thompson a french filmmaker whose most recent film is cezanne et moi. Cezanne et moi in his lifetime, you know, was ignored, cezanne, and really not only by the establishment but by his friends, by his best friend, this is probably one of the things that was the most painful for him, because he admired a lot his writing and loved his books and read them all and when he received this book, he said at the time, he is 48 years old, he starts reading the book and when you actually you know, have gone into research about their lives and you read the book you think, oh, my god, i understand why he was so upset. Because it is so intimately what they had been through as children. Rose a story from their lives. Oh very much so. Rose an attack in london, steve coll, and Daniele Thompson when we continue. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening with the attacks outside londons parliament today, the driver of a large vehicle ran down pedestrians on Westminster Bridge killing two people and injuring others before crashing into a railing, at least one man then exited the vehicle and approached parliament where he stabbed an armed Police Officer to death. He was then later fatally shot by police. Hundred of people, including Prime Minister were inside farmt and were forced into lockdown. The attacks falls on the anniversary of the suicide bombings in brussels that claimed more than 30 lives last year. Commander harrington said a full counterterrorism investigation is underway. The International Coordinator declared this a terrorist incident and although we remain open minded to the motive, a full counterterrorism investigation is already underway. Rose and here is the latest on the attacks from the cbs evening news. There is breaking news in the terror attack in london, we have just received word that a fourth innocent person was killed in that attack today. Just as the british were on guard for a possible attack in the sky, they were struck on the ground. In the heart of london. A driver plowed a car into a group of pedestrians, then stabbed a Police Officer, at least four people, including the officer were killed, 20 others were wounded. The attacker was shot to death by the police. Elizabeth palmer is in london. It has been a terror attack. In only second askar speeding along the sidewalk left a trail of broken and bleeding bodies strewn across one of londons businessth bridges. Seconds later, the car had crashed into the railings around parliament, setting off a panicked rush. In the chaos, shots rang out. It turned out the driver had shot past security into parliaments grounds and started to stab a policeman until he was fatally shot by another officer. The attack began in early afternoon, when parliament was in session, but astonished politicians were suddenly told it was in lockdown. I am going to us is intend the sitting of the house. This house is not suspended but please wait here. It is not suspended. British Prime Minister at the reis a may was whisked to safety while on the nearby bridge paramedics helped the injured and fought to save the dying. Sunit and tourists from india saw the whole attack unfold. He was speeding on the pavement and he was knocking off people walking by. So there was a big sound one after the other. Yes. He started filming, one victim flunk under a bus. Another lying still in the middle of the road surrounded by shocked bystanders. I immediately told my wife this is an attack, it is a terrorist attack. There was no question in your mind that he was going for as many people as he could get . Yeah, he was. He was just going on and on, he didnt stop. One british member of parliament on his way to work did his best to save the stand policeman, but a short time later, he died. Police say a full terrorist investigation is underway into the most serious attack in london since the deadly subway bombings of 2005. Fran Francine Lacqua joins me from the scene and katty kay from the bbc is here at the table, francine, what do we know now . Charlie, we have been briefed by police all evening, the attacks started about 2 20 p. M. Local time, where i am standing right now is on the south side of Westminster Bridge and understand that a car, a vehicle went through the bridge trying to mow down pedestrians, with we know dozens are injured, we know three people died and when an extra person was killed was the assailant, we understand so far there was only one attacker, the car then continued to drive, took a left on to the house of parliaments, thats when he got out of the car, took a knife out and stabbed a Police Officer. He was then apprehended by another Police Officer in civilian clothing who shot him. I said harrington said a full counterterrorism investigation is underway. As far as you know, do the police at this point consider it likely to be a terrorist attack . Yes, charlie. And this was actually clear right from the start, about 15 minutes after this was underway, we understand or we understood from both Scotland Yard but also senior officials in government that this was treated as a full on terrorist attack. This is the most serious terrorist attack in over ten years, again, there is an investigation underway, charlie, so one of the things that they told reporters and they briefed us numerous times is not to speculate too much on who the attacker could be, we heard from the Prime Minister teresa may, given a, giving a full statement outside of downing street a couple of minutes ago, and what she was very clear on was that this was an attack and what she said was this was not only an attack but an attack at the heart of 0 our capital city. She is taking of course this very seriously, but we dont know much more beyond that. She was in a cobra meeting with Civil Servants and also a senior Police Officers to try to figure out more who exactly was behind the attack. Rose katty kay, what can you add to this . What we do know is it seems like one assailant armed only with a knife, charlie, and a car managed to shut down one of the biggest cities in the world for the cost of rose . Locked down parliament to keep members of parliament on loungedown, lockdown inside the house Office Parliament and terrorize one of the great cities in europe and one of the great cities in the world and thats what terrorism does, right . Thats why it is so effective, but it doesnt take very much for somebody, we dont know who it is and who the assailant was and get that information as the investigation unfold bus it is a remarkably brutal and successful form of the terror in the western world and they are managing to perpetrate. Rose and also adds to this idea as there is some success in mosul and maybe in raqaa later with respect to isis even at its headquarters there are other means to carry on that does not involve territory. Well this is what the socalled Islamic State group has been wanting to do, to have freelance operations around the west as it gets squeezed in, its caliphate in syria and iraq, it is feeling under pressure and wants to show it still has. Rose alive and well. And still alive and well and this is the way it can do it and the truth is w we will never be able to stop this and never be able to totally eradicate people who are determined, if this is what it turns out to be, to take other peoples lives and prepared to sacrifice their own lives in the process. This is easy and it is cheap to do. Rose francine, does the london government, British Government view terrorism different in how they define it, in how they act against it . Well, the uk government has this evening said that we stay at t same terror level alert, this was heightened to severe about two years ago, meaning that a terror attack is likely, so we are not at the highest level, of course we have police, we understand that for the next couple of days, there will be more police deployed, one of the ministers also say they may call on the military if they find it necessary. But, charlie, the big difference, i see and covered a lot of terrorist attacks throughout europe, i am thinking of brussels, again you were saying it was only a year ago to the day we saw that horrific airport attack in brussels, is that we have a lot of cctv cameras here, so in the past, when we have had attacks, or things that were heightened tensions for the public, it was fairly quick for the government and the Police Forces to find out who the perpetrators are, because we have so many cctv cameras. I think we counted, it was about one camera for every 14 londoners. Rose the argument has sometimes been made that the british view it as a as a Police Matter and that, therefore, the investigative powers of the local police, you know, is employed. Well certainly in this case we are talking about the house of minister right in the middle of london, a lot of tourist and School Children and indeed french School Children injured in the course of this attack so immediately as this unfolded, you had the area swamped with police, some of them were armed police which is unusual in the uk in and of itself and the mayor of london tonight also said londoners must be aware there will be extra police and extra security on the police over the next few days. Fran seen is right, it is not only cctv footage, the other remarkable thing about this was filmed bypasser byes, the former minister of poland who happened to be crossing the bridge at that moment who produced video of the attack as it ununfolded. Where are we now . What is the next thing to happen . Well, we are expecting and hoping to be briefed a little bit later on by metropolitan police, Scotland Yard, they have been keeping reporters up to date, but i do have to say, charlie, it took a little bit longer than expected or unusual for the Prime Minister to come out again, we do think she was briefed quite extensively and she knows of these matters and handled them in the past and she was home secretary for over six years, so we are hoping to be briefed as much as we can and then of course find out a little bit more about the injured. Rose thank you so much, fran seen, as late as it is in london. Thank you. Rose thank you, my dear. To have you here. Thank you, charlie. Katty kay of the bbc, we will be right back, scay with us. Rose steve coll ask here and the dean of Columbia Journalism School and as staff writer for the new yorker magazine. The latest piece in this weeks issue is called Rex Tillerson is still acting like a ceo. Takes a look at tillersons relationship with the press, the secretarys trip to asia last week became the subject of controversy when tillerson announced he would not be traveling with the dismatic press corps, tillerson has come over, criticism for his news styles. Kohls, coll private empire, exxon, mobile and American Power is a study of the oil giant and its role in world affairs, i am pleased to have steve coll back at this table, welcome. Thank you, charlie. Rose i can imagine now, i have said this before, it is an exciting time and i cant remember more exciting time. To be a reporter, to be a journalist, to be looking at what is happening in the world. It is an exciting time to be out of Journalism School as well, all of these young reporters going out into this environment, trying to figure out how to do their job professionally. It is a time i think when the attacks on the press have actually strengthened the press, made clearer what our role is, under our constitutional system and also raise the bar on our performance, we have to be good now, we are going to have to earn it, in this environment of kind of trying to delegitimatize the press or divide the press, so, yes, an exciting time to be in this profession. Rose did we as journalists or should we as journalists have learned something from the campaign . Absolutely. Yes. I think there were lots of misses in the runup to the election by journalism, at large, of course we have lots of journalism in this country, it is part of the story, our media is fragmented but there was an over reliance on prediction and over reliance on data science, and we have lost a lot of professional reporting in the heartland of the country where the election was decided, it used to be 20 years ago that there were very healthy newspaper newsroom in all of these cities and even midtowns and they were feeding through Wire Services and Syndication Services into the networks, into the two coasts and i dont think we would have been quite so surprised in new york and california on the whole. Rose if we had access to what they were saying . Yes. A lot of reporting in ohio and michigan and wisconsin that was done by major news organizations was parachute reporting, it wasnt coming out of those states, those newsroom with the same kind of pulsing pour it used to have and also think Journalism School, we wrestle with the role of big data in this world, and the way journalism now requires computational skills and science skills, it is all true but a bit of an over rehypes on data science prediction in this election, and underreliance of knocking on doors and going into key districts. Rose the shoe leather stuff. Yes, i remember at the washington post, ten or 15 years ago there was a general rule in it is general elections, dan broder would choose like 12 swing districts and go out and they would stand in front lawns and knock on peoples door and say what is on your mind and what issues are driving you and what are you thinking . And it was tonight predict the result but when you read their 3,000 word omnibus report of all of these voices and they would take advantage of their experience, going back to these places and you had a sense of where it was going. At least it was an authentic role of journalism, it wasnt trying to give you a mathematical number of the likelihood of an outcome, be it was going out into these communities and letting voters be heard on the eve of the election. So i think we missed doing some of that this time around. Rose there is also this. It is the first time i can remember, even though they may have felt it, candidates said that the press was the enemy. Well, one candidate, who is now the president of the United States said that. Rose i know that. Thats my point. Yes. Thats a real rose you always had among politician it is feeling that they didnt get a fair shake. Yes. Rose but here you had somebody really took on the press in the campaign. As the enemy. Yes and that was part of a strategy of populism and delegitimatation of i didnt situation that has extended to the judiciary. To the federal bureaucracy, when you have the president of the United States on the first day in office apparentlily televisioning someone at the National Park service of their post okay after photograph they didnt like of the crowds. Rose you have a new kind of president. Yes. And so i think overall, my extent is that the press is used to being attacked, i mean if you are a reporter and havent been yell at by your subject as but times you are not doing your job. Rose right. And so i dont think the press has been shaken by those kinds of assaults. I worry about the deleo legitimatation of our constitutional design by all of this incendiary speech which seeks to personalize or deleo legitimatize the functions of judges and professional reporters. And people at the National Park service who are serving their the taxpayers. So i worry about a strategy of trying to just kind of change the contours of how our system is supposed to work, but as to the press being called out, come on, we are used to that and we should shoulder it and just get on with our jobs. Rose thats exactly what i said. We should just do our job and not worry about anything else, do our job. But when you look now at the idea of fake news and not an acceptance of what facts are, that seems to portend something different. Well, unfortunately, this term fake news has now been highjacked for it to mean news i dont like. It started out to describe something more specific and more worrisome which was the manufacturing of deliberately false information, sometimes for commercial purposes. Rose right. In sort of offshore, little businesses and then distributing that across social media platforms and making money off of the advertising that was available because it clicked. Some of this manufactured news, which wasnt done for ideological reasons in some cases as i say it was done to make money, did focus on trump because people clicked on those stories. Then you have another category of news which is maybe disinformation or r heavily ideological news, very difficult to determine, it is an eye of the beholder question as to when something is so distorted, so deliberately constructed to mislead that it crosses from just being hard opi