Shortly after the president s inauguration, he described himself as part of a new political order. If you think theyre going to give you your country back without a fight, you are sadly mistaken. Every day every day it is going to be a fight. His prior work at Breitbart News which lent editorial support to the White Supremacist Movement made him a lightning rod for criticism. We have a wall, a great wall. On breitbart radio in 2015 2015 bannon interviewed trump about immigration and described himself with hard line views. Well always be to the right of this. Bannon was unafraid to feud with other white house officials particularly Jared Kushner, gary cohn and h. R. Mcmaster. This week bannon seemed to undermine Trump Administration policy when he said in an interview theres no military solution to north korea. More arrests were made today to jeers from onlookers. In all four suspects have been detained following the twin vehicle attacks, one down a busy barcelona street, the second 75 miles south in the beach down of cam brails. One is just 17 years old. Sources tell cbs news the terrorists were planning a larger attack possibly a vehicle bomb using gas canisters, all being constructed in a house just down the street. The house exploded wednesday. It was leveled and the explosions were so strong this neighborhood showed us how it broke the glass in her window. Spanish police theorized that after the explosives prematurely ignited, the terrorists then went to plan b. The next day a van was driven down the tourist packed las ramblas in barcelona, swerving to hit as many people as possible. Eight hours later terrorist in another car in cambrils ran into another pedestrians. A woman died in the attack. A cell phone video was taken when he saw one to have the five terrorists taunting officers. I thought i was watching one of those horror films. A waiter near the scene told us he saw terrorists wearing what looked like explosive belts. The suicide vests were fakes but did manage to instill fear. Rose we continue with Ashley Parker of th the washinn post. Earlier on in the Administration Bannon appeared on the cover of time magazine, the worst thing you can do as a house stefer, then participated in the book by joshua green, devils bargain. He thought bannon was taking too much credit for his own electoral victory. Rose mike allen of axios. As you know, this president does not like to be outshown. This president does not like other people crowding his spotlight, and the book that came out last month from bloomberg businessweeks josh green, the great book inside this white house on the cover showing steve bannon and President Trump as equals, and, charlie, we know the president saw that book and he didnt like it. Rose turning to the attack in barcelona, we talk to fran townsend. All you need is to grab an everyday item, a car, a knife, and can launch an attack, you can walk into a restaurant like in london and start stabbing people or take a car on London Bridge or nice or here in barcelona and mow down civilians its very hard to stop. You rely on intelligence to catch the person but its hard to stop them when someones picked up the weapon. Rose for understanding steve bannon and relationship to President Trump, we talk to joshua green, his book, devils bargain steve bannon, donald trump, and the storming of the presidency. Bannon is a propagandist at heart and is very good at messaging, at stoking the worries and fears of the electorate and galvanizing a certain kind of dispossessed voter who hasnt felt like theyve had a place in american politics, maybe over the last ten, 20 years. Thats a real talent, and i think that helped get donald trump elected. But you need an entirely different set of skills when you wind up in the white house. Rose the departure of steve bannon and the terrorist attack in spain when we continue. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose steve bannon the controversial chief strategist for President Trump is leaving the white house. That announcement came this afternoon in a statement from White House Press secretary Sarah Huckabee sanders. Sanders characterized his departures a mutual decision, one made between bannon and president s chief offchaffchaff general john kelly. Some suggest kelly has had wannen in his sites since entering the white house. Its rumored bannon was soured due to the press and the credit bannon received in the election. Bannon fourth top advisor to the president to leave the administration in the last month. Joining me from washington, Ashley Parker, White House Reporter for the washington post, and has been reporting on this story. Ashley, let me begin with this, was he pushed or did he scwump . I think he was definitely pushed, but i will say hes somewhat comfortable with that. I dont think this would have been his top choice at all, but in the past several days, he had sort of resigned himself to any feat that he met. So he was pushed but pushed into a potentially very soft landing pad. Rose and whats the soft landing . Well, one option that were hearing and is very likely is that hes going to go back to invigorated, waging war not necessarily against the president himself but around a lot of the people surrounding the president and the west wing who he derides as democrats, globalists and the president if he thinks the president is not keeping his Campaign Promises on issues important to him like trade and immigration and he also has deeppocketed beneficiaries in the form of the mercers and theres a chance there might be a new Media Venture with him. Rose who are the mercers . They are wealthy republican donors, a father and daughter, and they have funded a lot of bannons activities in the past. They are close to the president , they are the ones who during the campaign helped push bannon on trump to help bring him in. Theyre sort of his patrons and seems they would be likely to support him in his next future endeavors. Rose whats the risk for the president . The risk, well, the risk is twofold. The risk for the president again, as you had bannon on the outside being this jolly feisty pirate captain who is now sort of attacking the white house from the outside and, again, hes going to be a little more reluctant to attack the president but attacking people around the president , attacking parts to have the president s agenda if he doesnt think it goes far enough is a possible problem for the president specifically and then a problem for some of these west wingians who pushed him out is we know this president and one thing the president does is no one is ever actually out, so the president may be under general kellys tutelage now and abide big his rules and at some point and i cant tell you if thats next week, a month, three month, the president and bannon i bet will talk on the phone, the president will call him late at night on his cell phone and bannon will still have the president s ear and he will be unincumbered by politics and bureaucracy and be more emboldened to push the president s nationalist, populist impulses. Rose the president and general kelly were not happy about leaks and he seemed to shoulder some of the blame for the leaks. Number two, there was a conflict he had with h. R. Mcmaster, breitbart, his former vehicle, had been aggressive in terms of h. R. Mcmaster. Number three, i guess the whole fallout from charlottesville might have engulfed him in some way. Are there other factors that might have led to his departure . Absolutely. So one factor is that even though this was a general kelly move, a sort of a sign of him asserting his power and the power he really has in the west wing to bring order is nothing happens in this white house if the president does not sign off on it and the president had grown increasingly frustrated with bannon basically because he thought bannons ego was set get thing too big and bannon was taking credit for what the president viewed as his own accomplishments so early on in the Administration Bannon faced trouble with the president when he appeared on the cover of time, the worst thing you can do as a white house staffer, then participated in a book by joshua green, devils bargain, and the president was unhappy about that and he thought bannon was taking credit for his wing the election. Rose and some people call bannon the president or the alternative president. And that, too, and remember, again, this is not now. This was earlier but there was a series of saturday night Live Saturday night live skits that had bannon playing the president with the president playing at this toy desk and that was another thing that trove the actual president crazy. Rose how does steve bannon feel about the president . What do we know about how he feels about the president that has not been expressed by him publicly . Thats a very good question. I do think he saw the president and the white house as sort of a vehicle for him achieving his own, you know, nationalist, populist goals he had been pushing for some time outside of the white house. I think he saw the president as an imperfect vehicle for that and he understood the president is someone who can often be swayed by the person he spoke to last or competing factions and impulses we is one of the reasons bannon was at such war with some of his colleagues in the west wing who he felt represented sort of a contrary point, the democratic or globalist world view. But he also recognized in the president something of a kindred spirit. Theres a sense that trump has no ideological core but there are a few issues the president has been quite consistent on not just in his presidency and campaign, but dating back decades, and those are some of the same issues bannon championed most notably trade, immigration and sort of a wariness of sending, you know, young men and women overseas to fight in wars. Rose could the president have won the presidency without steve bannon . Thats also a good question. Im hesitant to answer one way or another but i will say that even people now who have turned on steve bannon in the moment, in the campaign, they said, look, this guy is a wartime guy with great populist impulses, understands the politics, understands the president s base and the president and how to manage the president , and, you know, he was the person who helped right the ship during tough moments including the access Hollywood Video during the campaign. So i think no matter where you end up on that question he certainly played you know a big stabilizing role. Rose how significant a contribution to his departure was the interview he did with bob cutter of the american prospect magazine is this. It didnt help. My understanding is general kelly came in with no preconceived notions. He had no personal animus against steve bannon. One of the things general kelly was brought in to do was not manager the president but create order within the west wing, to manage the staff, to put processes in place, so that means nobody speaking outside of their lane, nobody going rogue and doing an interview where they attack their west wing colleagues. This was just a classic example of steve bannon doing something that the new chief of staff had explicitly basically forbid staff from doing, and i would also remind you this is exactly what Anthony Scaramucci did in the new yorker that got him fired by general kelly. The language was more clover but same behavior. Rose can you say this was a victory for people like jared, ivanka, gary cohn, h. R. Mcmaster, like people who had fight at one time or another with him . Oh, absolutely. You can 100 say that. You know, Jared Kushner had been one of the people who turned on bannon very early and lost the initial fight to push him out, the president wasnt quite ready to do it then. But there were a lot of people who disliked steve bannon because he directly or deliberately waged war against them in the media, somebody like Jared Kushner, h. R. Mcmaster, or just other people who thought he was a destructive, distracting presence in the west wing, and that was another thing that hurt him. At the end of the day, he did not have a ton of allies so when the new chief of staff came in and started asking questions about him, he didnt have as many defend arse he might have needed. Rose i guess the ultimate question is whether this will help or hurt the president in a significant way with his base because that seems to be where, at this moment, he is going in moments of crisis. Yeah, the president is always laserlike focused on his base, even in moments where you think it might make sense for him to move more towards the middle orally the nation to come together, he goes back to his base. Its an interesting question. I dont know how many people in his base will dessert him simply because steve bannon is gone and the same im skeptical of how many people vote for a politician because they got an endorsement of someone else. But i will say if bannons absence allows the president to be drawn further to the left or to further to the middle or to abandon some of his Campaign Promises, then i certainly think that will hurt him with his base and that will be magnified because you will have steve bannon from the outside mobilizing his media operation against anything he considers going squishy on these Campaign Promises. Rose ashley, thank you. Thank you. Rose Ashley Parker, the washington post. Back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose this week the continuing drama of the Trump Administration. Steve bannon out as chief political advisor. The administration was pulled off topic this time from the fallout at charlottesville. President s comments put him at odds with many americans, top Business Leaders and fellow members to have the republican party. Joining me from washington with more, mike allen, cofounder of axios and the editor of the axios a. M. Newsletter. Tell me about steve bannon, what is the latest that we know about his survival. Yeah, well, hes not surviving. The president decided he will go. The highest profile firing from this white house. Steve bannon is telling colleagues he resigned on august 7th, to be effective a week later, that would coincide with the one Year Anniversary of him coming into the trump campaign. Charlie, were told that the leading offenses for steve bannon, the reason he ran afoul of the president were, one, leaking, which is ironic in this white house. Charlie, you know how much everyone leaks, including the president of the United States, but the president believed steve bannon was leaking on west wing colleagues, perhaps include his soninlaw Jared Kushner, and that was one thing the president s been telling people around the west wing. The second thing and probably the tipping point, charlie, was, as you know, this president does not like to be outshown. This president does not like other people crowding his spotlight, and the book that came out last month from bloomberg businessweeks josh green, the week book inside this white house on the cover showing steve bannon and President Trump as equals, and, charlie, we know the president saw that book and he didnt like it. One of the reasons that steve bannon got in the doghouse before was, when he was on the cover second most powerful man in the world, a dangerous thing to be called around President Trump. Rose i would add to that his conflict with h. R. Mcmaster. Thats right, and thats part of the week. So there have been a barrage of negative stories about the president S National Security advisor h. R. Mcmaster and the president the other day came out and spoke in public about hiS National Security advisor saying that he supported him despite these stories that have been appearing notably on Breitbart News which, of course, steve bannon was the boss before he went in to the campaign. So, of course, he was a suspect in those leaks, but more broadly in this campaign against National Security advisor. So it was an ominous sign for the american first wing, the nationalist wing of the white house where at his press conference the other day President Trump says well see what happens with mr. Bannon. Rose so the political fallout from this, who will be pleased by this departure and who will be upset by this departure . Well, charlie, the people who will be upset are the people who are the trump first, America First people, the people who were officials and architects of that coalition. Its very unusual Trump Coalition that gave him the surprise victory, very focused on rust belt, working class americans, the America First idea, the sort of hard line on immigration, all that was bannons side of the house. Now, others in the white house will point out to you that the president was talking about these ideas before steve bannon came into the white house, but it was steve bannon who realized that you could win with that coalition and figured out the math and the states where that would work. So that takes nothing away from what President Trump did but he just doesnt want to give credit on that. And, charlie, over these seven months, you and i have debated the question of, in this white house, how much method is there to the madness . How much of a plan is there behind whats b