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I personally believe that it is true that engaging in what has become a liberal bridge building let's all have peace and love each other it doesn't work there was one point I think it was 3 years ago when we had a closing event inside when which is right next to Jerusalem and basically there was trouble and there was tear gas and it was either turn back and not have a closing event or walk through the tear gas so we walked through the chair guest and one of the authors was American and I would say who he was I gave him half an onion which is what you do you put an onion to your nose and that kind of neutralizes and he just took it and then he went we can swear you know so it's the preferably. That's talking books with me George Allen guy after the news. Hello I'm Marion Marshall with the b.b.c. News President Trump has officially met his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin for the 1st time on the sidelines of the g. 20 summit in Germany the talks lasted for more than 2 hours much longer than had been expected here Sarah Rainsford the words were warm enough but the body language was restrained as this meeting began by the president Putin not drunk was smiling much as both said they hoped for positive results from their encounter the handshake when it finally came was brief and businesslike but they've clearly had plenty to talk about no one here is expecting any big deals though like lifting sanctions the Kremlin has stressed all along that its main aim is to establish a working dialogue with Donald Trump about to begin the slow process of restoring relations with the United States which are at their lowest point in many years and in the past few minutes Russian media have said discussions between the 2 presidents covered a lot of subjects including Ukraine Syria and some bilateral issues they quoted Mr Putin as saying that also discussed the fight against terror and cyber security. On the 1st day of talks at the summit in Hamburg the German chancellor Angela Merkel has said there's still much work to do before the world leaders reach agreement on trade Mrs Merkel said the final communique was still being hammered out she said that also been differences on climate policy the g. 20 leaders had however agreed that international terrorism was a threat to everyone and Mrs Merkel said she was seeking closer international cooperation. From their fight not soon we want to work more closely together under the framework of the United Nations the u.n. Has passed a number of resolutions on this and we're committed to closer cooperation Secondly we need to improve the exchange information thirdly we talked about the financing of Tara we have the so-called Financial Action Task Force This needs to be strengthened and will receive an improved status the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said UNESCO's vote to declare the old city of Hebron in the West Bank a world heritage site is delusional The Palestinians had said Israel was carrying out a number of violations in Hebron Mr Netanyahu rejected the accusations. Only where Israel is present like you have on is freedom of worship and should for everybody throughout the Middle East mosques churches and synagogues are being blown up in places where Israel is not present so we will continue to God the cave or the patriarchs to ensure religious freedom for everybody and we will continue also to God the truth India Supreme Court has overturned a lower court ruling which declared 2 of India's rivers to be living entities the decision by the High Court in the State of Iraq and was seen as a measure to increase protection for the Ganges and Yemen in rivers which are deeply venerated in India but a heavily polluted You're listening to the latest world news from the b.b.c. . The number of people with jobs in the u.s. Increased 522-0000 last month the unemployment rate edged up to 4.4 percent as Andrew Walker reports the New figures show the u.s. Labor market continuing to perform strongly the largest job gains are in health care professional and business services and the public sector employment in manufacturing did increase but by a very modest 1000 there was a rise in the number classified as unemployed though that reflects more people looking for work those that don't are not counted as unemployed but has not in the labor force and that figure did fall by 170000 Kenya's high court has halted the printing of ballot papers the next month's presidential elections the electoral commission had granted a Dubai based company the tender to print the balance but the court ruled that the commission had failed to consult all candidates it's unclear whether the ruling will throw preparations for the presidential poll off track. The president of the Philippines Rodrigo to Tatay has made a surprise visit to forces battling to retake a Southern city that's been occupied by extremist militants for the past 6 weeks he said Poor weather had prevented him from traveling into the city of Merari earlier this week it was reported that Mr Du Tatar was negotiating with a small group of militants However those talks were apparently called off without explanation the United Nations General Assembly has adopted a treaty banning nuclear weapons and calling for Nuclear Disarmament more than 120 countries voted in favor of the Accord which prohibits the use of nuclear weapons as well as their possession production and development the negotiations were boycotted by the us Russia all other nuclear powers and many of their allies the treaty goes further than the Nonproliferation Treaty which merely aims to prevent the further spread of nuclear arms b.b.c. World Service news. Hello and welcome to talking books from Hay Festival here in Wales it's a celebration of culture with around $500.00 events across 10 days the aim of the festival is to bring together some of the world's greatest writers and thinkers to share their stories and ideas I'm speaking to the gypsy an orthodox Duff's worth her novel The Map of Love made her the 1st Muslim woman to be nominated for a book a prize her latest book this is not a border is an anthology celebrating her own extraordinary. Art of comes here hotfooting it is basically from staging the 10th when our 30th anniversary here for the power 1st the Palestine literary festival it's that 10th anniversary and she's come here straight from organizing that and we want to find out a little bit more so welcome to adults with thank you. Thank you. So just tell us a little bit how did it go Ok Well 1st I just want to say that it's a tremendous privilege and pleasure being back at this place has its own spirit its own buzz and it's always wonderful to be here basically just for those who don't know the idea that came to us was I mean looking for ways as people who who write or who work with culture in general looking for ways to kind of ameliorate or influence for the better situation on the ground we thought that if we took if we took artists and writers. From the West to go and work in Palestine to do literary reading seminars workshops in universities and so on for one week and they would have the you would be giving them a unique experience you would be enabling them to live the experience of living like a Palestinian under occupation for one week and you would be giving the Palestinians exposure to world class. Artists and events and then basically everyone would go their own way and one thing that was very clear for example was that we would not avail ourselves of the privileges that come with carrying a foreign and particularly a western passport so we would travel as a Palestinian with a West Bank id would travel and that meant for example not using the airport going in through Jordan on the island crossing and also going through checkpoints. The other thing was that basically because of the checkpoints it's difficult for people to move from town to town and so we decided that it would be processed that would move to its origins and so we became kind of like a like a circus or we call it a culture Roadshow and it's on the move every day and meeting students at universities and doing so it's quite challenging to give you know that Michael pale in the way he can say it and you know he's what he's one of the contributors to this book of essays by the way says you know for some reason I come and when he went but he said for some reason I asked all the books cakes and he was deemed to be a security threat in the dark eyes and it was it was closed down I mean so it's you know that it's not hey that's that's for sure you know there was one point I think it was 3 years ago when we had a closing event insulin which is right next to Jerusalem and basically there was trouble and there was tear gas and. It was either turn back and not have a closing event or walk through the tear gas so we walked through the tear gas and one of the authors who was American and I would say who he was but he was he was like really I gave him half an onion which is what you do you put an onion to your nose and that kind of neutralizes and he just took it and then he went so. We can see where can we know so it's a preferably. Would you mind just reading Ok from from from your Jerusalem this is not a border is a collection of pieces written either during or after or for. This book from people who've been on par 1st and I choose to write about Jerusalem because for the last 4 or 5 years we've really seen the push against and into Jerusalem becoming stronger and stronger and at the heart of Jerusalem is of course the Dome of the rock within and had a machete which is the sanctuary. And it's all is ever since I started doing this the 1st time I went to Palestine in 2000 there was a moment when I walked into the sanctuary and I really really felt felt such a peace just I mean it's such a beautiful space and throughout the festival I have really tried I wanted to give the visitors that sense to give them that moment when you walk in and the world falls away so I chose to describe the sanctuary and what it means and its history and here is this is just the 2nd paragraph in that piece which says a century on a hilltop around it the earth fell away. Palestinians are monsters of terracing they built Jerusalem on a hill and the old city slopes gently towards the south east towards the century and then the central and biggest of $26.00 terraces is where the Dome of the rock from the south 20 steps lead up to it from the north just 9 you can see the dome from the surrounding hills but you cannot see it from the city only when you come very close to one of the great gateways when you are almost through it is the dome revealed light almost floating framed by necklaces of slim colony that arches and attended by other domes and pulp pits and fountains each of which alone would have commandeered your attention but in the century there modest demanding nothing content to be here. Thank you. I love that but I see it we discussed you reading it because I think even someone like me the news business Russia specked all of you sitting at home and watching the news we get a slightly distorted view of what's going on and that is such a contrast and such a welcome contrast I think that's such a central thing to our thinking this issue of the distorted view so that was one when I when I 1st went. What I was struck by most was the disparity between what I expected and what I saw I expected scenes of unmitigated misery and destruction and what I found was a society that was really trying to get on with the business of living and. Just markets and birthday parties and weddings and cultural events and screenings and all. Like absolutely under threat and so there is there is tremendous grace and tremendous beauty and a tremendous will to live and to be part of the you know all the conversations that are going on in the world and that is what really touches the heart or if your mind of like leaves this is not a board. About I know I know this is the book you got out of the moment so lots of other things I want to want to talk about one of which is Cairo your recovery and your city you wrote a book about. Well let's call it what we call the time revolution but before you we talk about that I mean apparently you were almost you know many many years previously to write a book about Cairo and you didn't he waited till after the revolution what was that about yeah. I needed money. I thought you know it's always true but I know about the money but you know if you when ready were you know I was you know what I mean is that I signed I signed a contract to write a book about Cairo Bloomsbury we're bringing out a very nice little series by authors about their favorite cities Edmund White wrote about Paris and Peter Carey wrote about Sidney I think and I was going to write about Cairo and then I didn't because. I just it just kind of like seemed quite sad because terrible things were being done to the city were being done to the country this is under the Mubarak regime and every time I started to write it felt like some kind of energy this used to be and I didn't do it for years and years and then and then basically January 27th happened and within a few days Alexander Pringle my editor. He was on the phone saying Well how about that book now so yeah so I produced the Cairo book in the kind of. Fervor and the title of the book is Kyra my city our revolution. Of I was there was a reporter and I was trying to dig out some my scripts but I sort of remember it and I remember a line and I sort of said looking at this crowd in Tahrir Square. And it was actually must be a Friday and a group of Christians and sort of encircled encircled the Muslims. Prayed and I came up with Zinah Muslims and Christians young and old rich and poor come together in this in this uprising in this revolution I thought about that and I thought My God how naive you were. But you celebrated it at the time as well goodness yeah I go. Ok I think that. I think that you were not naive I think you were absolutely spot on and correct and perceptive and I think that everything that happened and we thought happened was true and there was a moment at last several months when people rediscovered their best selves and actually said so explicitly and where everybody. Wanted to be the best they could be and all this altruism came out and and all this talent and all this energy and all of it like in the service of a communal good. And that was just expressed all the time and people were like. I'm happy to suffer hardship for 2 years 3 years as long as we're on the right road as long as this is for everyone and we're building and there was even the sense. That what was happening was informing not just Egypt but was informing the world. What I want to say is that the backlash the counter-revolution the backlash the things that we are living through now have been so very bad that it is it is quite difficult to hold onto the belief in the reality of what happened I think that my job and the job of people like me is to. Always create a space for things to happen and you do that by maintaining hope and by maintaining the web of connections people ideas possibilities that can come to something in the future we have 60000 young people in prison in Egypt one of them is my nephew is just one of them. We have people being disappeared of the street because the regime has to have elections next year it started 3 weeks ago just picking up anybody who could be thought of as an activist across the country and vanishing them into prisons since General Sisi took power 19 new prisons have been built in Egypt 19 new prisons and the contracts for building the prisons go to the military and the contracts for refurbishing the prisons go to the Home Office. So basically you would be letting these $60000.00 kids down. If you just decided to be persistent So you work in whatever space is allowed. And actually when you're on the ground you see lots and lots of grounds for hope because people don't stop working people don't stop educating trying to build creating organizations writing having photography expressions whatever it is that people do they carry on doing you talk about you work in whatever space is available to you the space you've occupied for a very long long time has been this halfway house if you like between the Orient in the West and the oxidant you've written about it and met the terror but I think you you say now that that space is becoming smaller and smaller You're finding it more and more awkward would that be right well actually that is where I was published in 2004 and I think that after 2011 I actually think in different terms I think that there are very very many of us who occupy what I would call the common ground. The people who actually do see difference as interesting and exciting and productive Look I think that everywhere in the world there is a push to try to create a better and a new world that is more hospitable to the young and more hospitable to the planet and allows for a better future and that is being clamped down on by the system and that is the fight that we're having it's not between east and west it's between the people who want a better future for everybody and the people who want to keep things as they are and clamp down on it and use it and exploited even more Ok I've sort of broken or. 80. I've broken all the rules I set myself in the beginning about about times as one last question very quickly before before I let you have a go. You've talked about all of this not just as a journalist not just as an activist but you are novelist too let me just ask is it with you known as the most famous book perhaps is the Map of Love what is it you were able to do as a novelist. In exploring some of the ideas we've already talked about that you can't do as a campaigner or as a journalist. I think that. I think that it's very dangerous to embark on on a on a novel or a. You know an artistic purely artistic project. With an agenda in mind I think that the Map of Love explored questions about things that were very much on my mind at the time about whether about whether when I say I love you you understand by love you understand the same thing you know language is communication whether it was possible to actually love properly across culture what was the relationship between the past and now you know. So yeah it explored it asked questions and explored them and I guess that is what the that is what fiction or arts can do that it can throughout these questions and and that readers. Make up their their own minds although of course there is also really what what we do with professed we put things out there and let people make up their minds but of course articles and so on are much more much more direct and much more immediate and novel is a very very different project I mean in a way you have to kind of upset yourself completely from the day to day in the detail of the day to day in order to be able to just sort of have the space to. To fashion a world in which your novel can have been time for you to ask them questions there's a hand just over there thank you for this opportunity I have been a fan of death for many years and it's a privilege to be here today and to hear you speak my question is a bit of a follow up on actually what George was just asking is about the craft itself how do you go about