About the governments bulk collection of our phone records. And the release of some of Hillary Clintons private emails. Plus the white house defends its strategy for countering isis, as the terror group seizes the ancient syrian city of palmyra and tightens its hold on ramadi. Are we going to set our hair on fire every time there is a setback . Well sit down with former u. S. Ambassador john bolton. Who says were losing the war against isis. Our power player of the week honoring nations veterans with a proper military farewell. They want every family to have live taps at that going away presentation of their veteran. All right now on fox news sunday. Hello from fox news in washington. Its not just barbecue on the menu this memorial day weekend. Theres also politics and National Security. We begin with former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee who ran second for the gop president ial nomination in 2008, became a star on fox news channel, but then left television to run again. Governor huckabee joins us now and welcome back to fox news sunday. Thank you, chris. Great to be back. I want to start with a couple of breaking stories. First of all, the release on friday by the state department of 296 of Hillary Clintons emails concerning benghazi. Heres the reaction that you gave. We expect these charades and masquerades in ussr, the old soviet union, not the u. S. Explain what you mean by that. Well, the secrecy with which this government has operated and specifically, Hillary Clinton using a private email server outside the bounds of normal state Department Protocol is very troubling, especially because we have yet to give an answer to what happened in benghazi. I know that sounds like something an old broken record, we need to know why did four different times an ambassador call for help and no help came . The one thing american soldiers and american diplomats need to know wherever they are stationed across the world is when they are under fire and being shot at we will move heaven and earth to try to get to them, to rescue them and to protect them. And we didnt do that on the night of benghazi. Hillarys phone rang 3 00 in the morning and she let it go to voice mail. We need to know why. Let me ask you about another breaking question. Congress is more deadlocked than ever what to do about the nsas bulk Data Collection of phone records with the program set to expire on june 1st. Heres what you had to say about that this week. Does the constitution allow the government to read the mail and to listen to the phone calls, even to collect them without a warrant or probable cause . I think the obvious answer is no, it does not. A couple of points here. Section 215 of the patriot act, which is the section that is going to expire on june 1st, has nothing to do with listening in on phone calls. Its just recording the fact that my phone number called your phone number. So arent you wrong there when you talk about listening in . Secondly what do you think we need to do about this bulk Data Collection . I think the constitution already provides what we should do. If you have probable cause to suspect that Chris Wallace is acting in a nefarious manner, you go to the judge and listen on his calls because you have the other branch of government that is constitutionally required to be part of that process. You dont give unlimited resources, unlimited power. Our founders were very concerned about too much power being invested in any one, any branch. The balance of power is fundamental to our system. I dont want to be made unsafe, but chris, 225 different terrorist plots over the past year since 9 11, and so far not one of them has been tied directly to the nsa collection of meta data. If this is so effective, how come it hasnt resulted in the foiled terrorist plots . Those have been foiled by oldfashioned police work, human intelligence. It seems like we are spending billions of dollars on wiz bang technology and not enough money on Human Resources which has proven to be the most effective way of stopping terrorism. Lets turn now to your candidacy. You announced it three weeks ago. I was struck listening to your campaign announcement. You laid out bold policies. I want to drill down into those. You said first of all, no cuts, no changes to medicare or Social Security. Here you are. If Congress Wants to take away someones retirement, let them in their own congressional pensions, not your Social Security. But Government Trustees say without any changes, for instance, medicares hospital instance, medicares Hospital Insurance fund will run out of money by 2030 and the Social Security trust fund will run out of money by 2033. Governor, dont we have to find some way, raising the eligibility age, cutting benefits perhaps for the wealthier people to keep these programs solvent for people 55 or younger. The problem with people 55 or younger, theyve been paying in 40 years. This was not a voluntary extraction from their paycheck. It was involuntarily lifted from them under the guise that the government would then provide for them, their money, back in that Social Security or medicare fund. This is not an entitlement as much as it is an earned benefit that people have paid in. There are some factors here. One of the reasons im for the fair tax, it means everybody will help fund Social Security and medicare, not just the working people of america. Right now the only people paying in are the people who work for wages. People who get their money off dividends are not paying anything in. Social security and medicare funds are being short shrifted because we limit the manner which people pay in. If everybody was under a consumption tax, which is what the fair tax does, all americans would be contributing. I want to stay on this entitlement reform. Back in to 2011 here is what you told neil cavuto. We keep saying that 60 is the new 40. Okay. Lets treat 60 like its the new 40. Lets raise that eligibility age up to 70 for the people under 55. You favored reforms to entitlements back then whats changed . Well, the main thing i feel like that has happened, as i understand, if we start breaking promises to people and we start making changes in a Program People have been into for years i think it adds to the distrust we have of government. Frankly, theres never been a time in my lifetime where people are more distrustful of government. I say go back to people who are 14 and 15 just entering the work force and here is another suggestion. If i may briefly, it was only four years ago you were saying we do need to change it for people who were 55 and younger, because frankly people are living longer. I think the fact is that we cant make those changes because, as i talk to people across the country, they feel like that is a gut punch and if we are going to make the changes, let the individual. For example, if you want to give me the option to take my Retirement Benefits in one lump sum, but let me make that choice, okay. Give me the taxfree benefits, but i dont think you can go and give seniors the sense that everything they have been involuntarily paying in for is now going to be taken from them. Okay. Lets talk about the fair tax which you just brought up. You want to abolish the income tax, you want to abolish the irs and create a fair tax, as you say, is a National Sales tax. Critics say the problem with that is its too regressive. The Tax Policy Center said that the average rate for the Lowest Income Group would exceed 33 , while the average for the top group would fall to less than 16 . The argument, governor, is that the rich who spend less of their income are going to end up making out pretty well under this. And the poor who spend almost all their income and are going to be paying this sales tax are going to pay the most, or at least the highest percentage. They have it exactly wrong. In fact, its the bottom third of the economy who benefit the most from the fair tax. The people of the top of the economy benefit the least. Although everybody benefits some. That tax study is one that has been discredited by the people who spend over 20 million, very thorough economic study developing the fair tax. Its not just some political idea. Doesnt it just stand to reason if i make 5,000, im going to spend a higher percentage of my income just for the necessities, and if i make 1 million, i probably am not going to spend as much a percentage of my income because ive got a lot of income. Well, the difference is who, and this is where a lot of people dont understand, the fair tax has whats called the prebate, if you are at the bottom third, chances are you dont pay any effective tax in the consumption tax because you are consuming less and getting a prebate in advance of what you would have spent. Thats why the poorest people come out better. I recommend people going to the fair tax website, reading books on the fair tax, but getting it from people who actually know what it does rather than those who dont want to see the fair tax. Ill tell you what the fair tax does, it empowers the consumer and lets people have their whole paycheck and takes the power out of the hands of congress and puts it in the hands of the consumer. Thats power to the people. Governor, i want to keep moving along. There are a lot of things you said in your announcement. You indicate as president you wouldnt necessarily obey court rulings, even the Supreme Court. Here you are. Many of our politicians have surrendered to the false god of judicial supremacy, which would allow black robed and unelected judges the power to make law as well as enforce it. We have operated under the principle of judicial review since 1803. Judicial review is actually what weve operated under. We have not operated under judicial supremacy. President s lincoln, jefferson, jackson, president s understood that the Supreme Court cannot make a law. They cannot make it. The legislature has to make it, the executive branch has to sign it and enforce it, and the notion that the Supreme Court comes up with the ruling and that automatically subjects the two other branches to following it defies everything there is about the three equal branches of government. The Supreme Court is not the supreme branch. For gods sake, it isnt the supreme being. It is the Supreme Court. But sir, george will, the conservative columnist pointed out back in 1957, another governor of arkansas, orville forbis decided to disregard and refuse to obey the ruling to desegregate schools. President eisenhower had to call in the 101st airborne. Are you saying president huckabee might decide he wasnt going to obey the ruling on desegregation or president nixon to turn over the tapes . That its up in the air whether you are going to obey the Supreme Court . You know george will is no fan of mine. He recently called me appalling. Im not surprised he would make such a false comparison. In that case the Supreme Court had ruled the legislature and executive branch agreed with the Supreme Court and precisely what happened is what should happen. The president ordered the airborne to come in and enforce the law. The law that did exist. It wasnt that the president defied the law, the president was carrying out the law and using all the forces at his resources to do it. Lets say he said i dont want to turn over the tapes and the court cant make me . The president has to follow whatever the law is. Does congress have a law that tells him what he is going to do . In that case, the congress was ready to impeach nixon and he ultimately resigned. I want to get back to the main point. Its a matter of balance of power. If the Supreme Court could just make a ruling and everybody has to bow down and fall on their faces and worship that law, it isnt a law because it hasnt been passed, what if the Supreme Court ruled they were going to make the decision as to who was going to be the next president and save the taxpayers and voter from all the expense and trouble of voting, and theyll just pick a president. We would say, they cant do that. Why cant they do it . They cant do it because its not in the law. 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The senate doesnt go back into session until next sunday, hours before key provisions of the patriot act expire. Joinings now former u. N. Ambassador john bolton. You believe bulk data is vital. You are trying to convince members of congress to vote for it. Heres a play. I strongly support nsa efforts to protect americas interest in the digital world. Without nsa, we are vulnerable and blind. Ambassador how worried are you now that Congress Wont even take up whether or not to extend this program till next sunday just hours before the lights go out . Well, i think ultimately some aspect of it will be extended. I think there is no question about that. The number of people who actually want to shut the program down entirely is really very small. The issue for me is getting the debate pushed forward to or three years until we get into a presidency where many republicans, i think would have greater faith that a new president is not going to endanger american civil liberties. I think there is a lot of hype and hysteria about this program. Its compounded by basic distrust of barack obama. Governor huckabee said the Justice Departments Inspector General this week issued a report that said the fbi cant report to a single terrorist plot that was broken up as a result of this program. Isnt that a fairly strong argument against it . I think that report covers only a small piece of the total picture. That is to say what the fbi is looking at. Nsa and others former cia officials have said many recent terrorist incidents affecting the homeland that the bulk Data Collection program has been a factor in every one of them. Lets be clear how intelligence works. Very rare one piece of intelligence dictates the ultimate conclusion. This nsa program is part of a lot of efforts and is very important. You talk about the hysteria, what you say is the hysteria against it. You also said critics of the program are engaging in mccarthy tactics like in the 50s trying to scare the american public. This week senator rand paul took to the senate floor almost 11 hours to speak out against continuing the nsa record program. I want to use the constitution. Is senator paul guilty of mccarthyism . I agree with that statement. Given the implication americans are having nsa listen to their phone calls, read their emails, the information is presented in such a confusing and confused way, that i think there is a lot of demagoguery going on here. Thats one reason why the votes in congress are so up in the air. Even many members dont fully appreciate how this prog