thwart virginia's election results in 2024's governor mansion. >> you know, david, this is kind of the first major litmus test of the biden administration. whatever happens on november 22nd. what does that tell us about what happens in 2022, and what rides on the results for congress to pass those two major spending bills before election day? >> i think it is a big deal for democrats. look, terry mcauliffe very well might win. and democrats will say, see, we're on the right course. the reason i think it's a big deal, the outcome of this is because virginia has been trending reliably blue. virginia has almost gotten to the point where democrats say it's a solid blue state. a loss in virginia means more than a loss in a pure toss-up state. i don't know if it means a whole lot as the death nell of biden's agenda. but i think what you'll see in these off year races, the national parties come in and do a lot of message testing.