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Com now to join the over 2 Million People who have found the right way to lose weight a very good day to all of and get healthier with golo. You from msnbc World Headquarters here in new york, welcome everyone to alex witt reports. We begin with some more on that Breaking News. Two new statements from the Biden Ministration on the additional classified documents found at his home. Lets go back to alex nbcs aly rafah whos with the president in delaware. Ali, what can you tell us about this . Yeah, alex this latest drip of information really just adding pressure on the Biden Administration. President biden himself to answer more questions. Right now, we have way more questions than answers at this point, especially considering the new development that just came down and the last hour with these two new statements from President Bidens personal attorney as well as the Special Counsel to the president of the white house, and right now as reaction pours in we know the President Biden remains at his Wilmington Home where we learn to just, the last hour of course do these new statements, five additional statements with classified markings were discovered on thursday, on President Bidens Wilmington Home. In a box, initially uncovered by the president s personal lawyers on wednesday, that was in that It Basement Room next to the garage where a second batch of documents was discovered on December 20th in the new statement from Special Counsel richard bauer, he says personal attorneys are not allowed to review classified documents, and he says quote, because i have a Security Clearance, i went to wilmington thursday evening to facilitate providing the document at the president s personal counsel found it wednesday to the Justice Department. Why was transferring it to the doj officials to accompany, me five additional documents with Classification Marquise were discovered among the material with it, for a total of six pages. The doj officials with me immediately took possession of them. He immediately against trust that the white house will but alex, this is really raising more quick questions in addition to the ones that we have already out poured to the white house, specifically, he says that personal attorneys dont have Security Clearance to be able to handle these documents. So why, it begs the question, his personal attorney is allowed to continue to search President Bidens home, or homes rather, plural, in rehoboth and wilmington, after they had discovered classified documents at the pen biden center. It raises questions as to what lever of classification these additional pages fall under after one of those pages at the Penn Biden Center was discovered to be sti. The highest level of classification. Also, who had access to these documents in the years that they were there . Who packed them, why did some of them end up at the Penn Biden Center, and others at bidens Wilmington Home . As with so many more questions at this point, that we have answers, questions that we hope to get answered. By the white house at some point over the next few hours, possibly days. Okay, and we hope to get some insight right, now thank you so much, ali roth up for that. Lets bring in Luke Broadwater, congressional reporter for the New York Times, and aggressive reuben joining us again. Welcome to you both, look lets put this on perspective, give me your reaction to these new developments, and how significant is this New Discovery . Sure, well i think the first thing that everyone agrees on is that similar cases should be treated similarly. That is what everyone on the hill is talking about with democrats and republicans. And so, look, mishandling Classified Information is a serious matter, and it has to be dealt with seriously. And that is why we have these investigations going on. The key difference here, as i see, it is the reaction of the two different camps between biden and trump. What they did once they discovered the classified documents. It seems to me that pretty quickly, the biden lawyers are getting somebody with the Security Clearance in there to transfer these documents to the archives or the Justice Department, and in the case of donald trump, that did not take place for a year, and that was the reason the National Archives asked the Justice Department to refer the matter, and then to ultimately search the premises. And so the key difference is the reaction here between the two sides. That is not to say that there isnt a very serious matter here that deserves investigation. Look, you hundreds and right on all of that, but do you think about fact that you are pointing out there, the cooperation, or the lack thereof, do you think that is being disseminated accurately and and being consumed by the American Public . Are people seeing it that way . I think the responsible News Agencies are doing that, and were doing that at the New York Times, and provide the right caveats in the right nuance as we report on this matter. But, look this is a drip drip drip situation. Every time we think that we maybe got to the bottom of these classified documents, there is more to learn, and now there with a court of, it and go there with the garage, and the more things keep coming out, the more revelations there are, it keeps raising questions about President Bidens handling of classified documents and the fact that he criticized, he criticize trump saying he was not very responsible, and then those same criticisms can be turned back at him. Lisa, one of the Major Concerns in the trump documents investigation is whether there is evidence of obstruction. Do you suspect that this New Discovery will raise similar concerns to the Special Counsel, or is this showing that the biden team is adequately forthcoming about all of this . If the facts show, alex, ultimately that this reporting done by the Biden Ministration and by the personal lawyers is in fact accurate, i dont think it raises the same concerns at all. For the reasons that luke was describing. Look, we have the president s personal lawyers go to the wilmington residents, this week, when they were finishing the review, they identified a single page. And then what they did is important. The person who did not have a Security Clearance stopped. They identified the document, they set aside the box, and whatever else is in it, and then they had dick come up to the wilmington residents with a Security Clearance and accompanied by people the Department Justice to presumably not only kind of that, page look through the reminder of the contents of the box. We never had anything approximating that level of forthcoming this from the Trump Administration or the people surrounding President Trump. You will recall, in february 2022, when trump first handed over 15 boxes to the National Archives, they did not identify to the National Archives that there were any classified documents inside. The National Archives then discovered 100 in 83 of, them and then referred the matter to the department of justice. After, that there was a subpoena. The response to that subpoena was also less than fully forthcoming, and the people involved in it for Me Lori Specht it were also the people who did not have Security Clearances. It was only after a further subpoena for surveillance teams, which showed that walt who lived in the White House Oval Office as a valid, now actually President Trumps personal capacities, showing him moving things in and out of a storage closet, that is when the department of justice in august of last year went to the search warrant. Its over a series of months, we had a variety of instances of destructive conduct. If not by the former president himself, by others around him, and probably a combination of the two. There is nothing yet to suggest that is what is going on here by the Biden Administration or by the president s personal lawyers. You make very good points there. Luke, with respect to the timing of all of this, we also have new reporting from nbc that democratic allies, they are with the white houses response to the classified documents. How might this new revelations change the white house response, or are their hands tied because they have to wait out the investigation, as lisa and i spoke in the last hour, the advice will be, dont say anything until you absolutely have to or until all of the facts are there that we know the full picture. Yeah, so the Biden White House so far has been putting out limited information, daybyday, and then referring followup questions to the Justice Department. And that may be the proper way to handle things, but i do think it will be unsatisfying to many in the political arena. You are already seeing these republican investigations ramped up on capitol hill, and they will be trying to put him under tremendous scrutiny. And democrats have been defending joe biden, saying that he has handled things as responsibly as he can, but they are also avid caveats caveats, saying that we dont know the full story. So each time theres additional reporting to this coming out, i think it does raise questions, even among democrats on the hill. They dont want to be caught fully defending something, and then turn out to look foolish afterwards, if something worse happens, and there are more classified documents somewhere else, or other facts emerge. And the truth, is once you get a Special Counsel investigation going, even if the fact pattern makes it look innocuous at the beginning, you dont necessarily know with that Special Counsel will find. He could find anything. Its a lot of people are now saying that they want to remain Reserve Judgment until they hear more. So lisa, what are the challenges that the Biden Legal Team has to try to balance compliance with the investigation, and yet still be truthful with the public. We have talked about how it is hard proved to stay quiet, but legally speaking, are they advised to not say anything. Its not something that the lawyers going to tell them . Look, i think that a lawyer ordinarily would tell a client, as you and i have discussed before, you dont say anything, but here, not only do they have to balance Political Considerations against that legal, one but alex, in many instances, when the biden team has talked, it seems as if they are either preempting or reacting to some sort of a. Leak lets, remember the way in which we found out about this in the first place is not because the Biden Administration decided to speak, its because cbs news broke the story on monday to classified documents were found at the Penn Biden Center. Each time, of the white house with the president s personal lawyers have chosen to speak, it is because some further fact has developed, and to get ahead of the story, they would rather have that come from them rather than come from reporting, which is why, this morning for example, his statements came either contemporaneous with charlie savages reporting, and the New York Times, or slightly after it. Im not sure exactly have the, timing but that is another issue, here which is that someone is talking about this investigation, or someone is talking, and the lawyers have to be cognizant of that and the public optics of those disclosures as well. And trying to control the narrative. Okay, Luke Broadwater and lisa rubin, thank you both. That was a great conversation. Also new today for all of, you reaction just a short time ago to House Republicans first act as congressional leaders launching a flurry of investigations into the Biden Administration on everything from what gop numbers called weaponization of Government Agencies like the department of justice, to the treatment of january six capitol riot defendants. One congresswoman told me, it goes against republicans own campaign promises. They were running about the border, running about crime, they were worried about inflation, and yet this first week, they showcase none of those issues. And so they are not serious. We are going to be investigating the investigators trying to learn what is going on investigations investigations that may even include some of my colleagues. Some on the committee. This is a very dangerous blurring of the responsibilities. Well the new warning to congress from treasury secretary janet yellen, that the u. S. Will hit its debt limit in just five days on thursday, this is the amount the u. S. Can borrow to pay for the obligations like social security, like medicare, military, salaries and truth on the national debt, tax refunds, other payments as well, and House Republicans are expected to demand some major spending cuts. Lets go now to nbcs Julie Tsirkin on capitol hill for us, so julie, it is a showdown that is looming over how u. S. Is going to continue to pay for the nations bills. What are republicans playing to do to respond to the treasury secretarys warning that Congress Needs to act fast. Look, republicans in the house are already coming up with Creative Solutions if the debt limit is reached. That is in part because a group of them led by jim, what some of those Deficit Hawks on the Freedom Caucus ended up doing a secret handshake with mccarthy saying look, if you put a clean bill to lift the debt ceiling which is what most republicans and most democrats want on capitol hill, then we are going to put up a fight. We are not going to let that happen. Instead, they want to ensure that if they are going to lift the debt ceiling, that future spending will be slashed, which of course will not fly, especially in the senate. A long senate, democrats dont want that happen. This is gearing up to be a major showdown and one of the important things to remember is that congress is lifting the debt of what they already appropriated. Bills they already passed, programs that have already started. So figuring out according to some republicans which of those to slash in order to breach the debt limit is a conversation that we had in 2011 when former president obama inherited a new republican majority in the house. We were at the same point. The scary part here is, mccarthy made this concession with these members for his gavel. Essentially, if things dont go their way, it is either the debt limit doesnt get reached and we default on our debt, or mccarthy loses his gavel because anyone member according to these rules he negotiated can actually call the vote of no confidence and take him out of that position. A lot to watch in the space. So let me ask you one more question here and that is, at the helm, he has many new plans, that includes potentially expunging the impeachment of donald trump. Either one or both. What is that about . That was a question he was asked by a reporter on thursday. He said, it certainly he is looking into this. Lets talk about where that even came from. There were two pieces of legislation floating around to expunge the former president s second impeachment, even the first h