States government will be unable to fund itself going forward. The new date estimated by treasury is october 17th. They say, if we have insufficient cash on hand, it would be impossible for the United States of america to meet all of its obligations for the first time in our history. The stakes are set and for the u. S. Economy, they could not be higher. House republicans have to vote to increase the debt limit to avert a historic default. And today, Speaker Boehner announced his negotiating position. On the debt limit, were going to introduce a plan that ties important spending cuts and progrowth reforms to a debt limit increase. Now, the president says im not going to negotiate. Well, im sorry, but it just doesnt work that way. Once again, republicans will take the economy hostage. The National Review published the gops ransom list. In exchange for avoiding default, republicans are demanding a oneyear delay in obama care. They want the president to go forward with the keystone pipeline, and they want tax reform that favors the wealthy based on the paul ryan plan. If those demands sound familiar, thats because its effectively the platform that cost republicans the white house just last year. I will act to repeal obama care. I will build that pipeline if i have to myself im very supportive of the ryan budget plan. Republicans are blackmailing the American People with the agenda that lost the last president ial election by 3. 5 million votes. Its a strategy born from the inexplicable existence of two votes, one to spend money and another to pay for the money spent. In 1979, a democratic congressman named Richard Gephardt set out to change this, merging the two votes into one. But when republicans took back the house in 1995, they separated the votes again, paving the way for what is happening today. Since then, democrats have never demanded concessions in direct exchange for raising the debt ceiling. As House Speaker under george w. Bush, nancy pelosi had the opportunity three times to take the American Economy hostage in exchange for a list of democratic priorities. And each year, she passed the debt limit increase without incident. I would be willing to say, dont mess with the debt limit. The reason democrats never tied the debt ceiling to a list of demands, a United States default would be catastrophic. The idea of reaching the debt limit is really unthinkable. Its so dumb, you know, its disturbing. If you dont raise the debt limit in time, you will be opening an economic pandoras box. When republicans did this in 2011, the United States saw its Credit Rating downgraded. The House Republicans are now holding the entire country, and indeed, World Economy hostage. And today, obama said, unlike last time, he will not negotiate with the hostage takers. I will not negotiate on anything when it comes to the full faith and credit of the United States of america. Joining me now is republican tom cole, from oklahoma, a member of the house budget committee. Congressman, im seeing reports that the house caucus itself does not have the required number of votes necessary to pass its own plan that has this long wish list of republican priorities. What the heck is going on down there . Well, first of all, i have to say, thats the most remarkably misleading leadin ive ever seen for minute after minute after minute. But wait, what is misleading let me finish my answer. Oh, gosh, do you want me to count the ways . Yes nancy pelosi, of course she didnt want to poke the debt limit, she wanted to spend more money, not less. The reality is, the American People think we ought to be in a negotiating posture on these things. 61 , according to the bloomberg recent poll says, if were going to raise the debt limit, which is something, by the way, im willing to do, and something barack obama never did when he was in the United States senate. Hes asking us to do for him what he would not do for george w. Bush. He voted against the debt limit. It was a symbolic vote, as you well know. It was not a symbol irk of course it was a symbolic vote. Was there ever any moment that you thought the debt ceiling would not go up . He wants me to cast a vote he wouldnt cast. Im willing to do that. Ive done that before. Yes. And the president likes to talk about the deficit coming down. A big reason was, with the negotiations we had the last time, i think were willing to try to work with him to raise the debt ceiling, but we want to do something about the debt. Can i ask you something . What exactly does Net Neutrality have to do with the debt . Look, i said, we put literally everything on the table. I actually think there should be some things on the table that are in the president s budget. What does what does funding the consumer the president is for what does funding the Consumer FinancialProtection Bureau through the appropriations process have to do with the debt . First of all, we think those things have positive things in terms of future growth. But, look, we havent said this is take it or leave it. We said, heres a whole range of things that were willing to talk about it. Which i think is more than fair. But you have to take it or leave it its the president who said, im not willing to negotiate. You have to take it or leave it. And thats simply unacceptable. Is it acceptable to not raise the debt ceiling . I actually think the debt ceiling needs to be raised. If you voted for the ryan budget wait a second you voted for a debt ceiling increase. Let me finish my thought. But the ryan budget also contained a trajectory to bring the debt down. If the president will work with us to bring the debt down, which he did in august of 2011, to his credit, then i think we can arrive at a deal. But the idea that im not going to talk to anybody you can talk to the iranians, you can talk to the russians ive heard that talking point a lot. Its a good talking point. It is a good talking point, but thats what it is. Its the truth. If the debt ceiling needs to be raised, then what is the negotiation . This is what i fail to see. Its catastrophic not to raise the debt ceiling, as youve said and as economists say, so why not just raise the debt ceiling . Whats so hard . Why do we need to negotiate . Because you need to change the trajectory of the debt. The debt has changed trajectory yeah. You have to, like, what are you going to do to lower it, so youre just not automatically raising it. Let me bring in keith ellison, cochair of the progressive caucus, whats your reaction . I think that weaponizing the debt ceiling is bad economic policy, i think its bad legislative policy, and im very sorry that this has happened. We can negotiate over the budget, we negotiate all the time. But to put Something Like the full faith and credit of the American Economy on the line is just beyond the pale. And americans show know. Were not asking about permission to spend future more, were talking about permission to pay the bills weve already acquired. Let me ask congressman cole about negotiation. Everybody likes negotiation, we have a system of government that requires it in certain circumstances. Theres a budget process in which a budget gets passed by the house, a budget gets passed by the senate, and they appoint people to a conference committee, where they hash it out. And the house refuses to appoint conferrees to that conference committee, saying they wont negotiate on the budget. Why not negotiate through the normal channels rather than i think theres always a prenegotiation that took place, and frankly, that didnt work out, which is how many times do you want to be able to bring different points up on the floor. Its a technicality. But i basically agree with you. I want to negotiate with the president. I demonstrated on fiscal cliff, on sandy, on violence against women. Im more than willing to do that. Its the president saying, i dont want to negotiate at all. Do you think the president is saying he doesnt want to negotiate full stop, congressman ellison, or he doesnt want to negotiate under these circumstances . He does not want to place americas bond rating on the line. He wants to negotiate during the normal course, which he has always done, and i dont think this is an unreasonable thing. We know that we are not going to were going to ruin the American Economy if we default on the debt limit and we can not do and the president is right not to negotiate on that. But hes negotiated on many other things and weve heard all these issues before. So lets talk about it. But lets not put the american and the World Economy on the line as we do it. Congressman cole, why is the normal appropriations process and funding process, congress has to authorize money and then its got to take two votes to spend money. Why is that not enough . Why should there be a third thing in which you can then decline to pay the debts that youve incurred . The debt ceiling is there as an alarm bill. And frankly, a lot of this debt i voted against. A lot of your colleagues didnt. If you want to raise spending, you know, youre going to have to vote for it. And maybe you want to stop and think about the course that youre on. But you already had to wait a second. I agree with tom. Toms right about this. This is the purpose of the debt ceiling this way, to do it to say, look, lets stop and look at what were doing, but its not to use as a leverage but can i say, i disagree with both of you. Every cent, every cent that this government, that this government spends as a matter of the constitution of the United States must be authorized by congress. I dont understand why that vote is not enough. This must be a historical first that keith and i are on the same side. Now, wait a minute. Im saying i do believe if we authorize an appropriation for money, the debt ceiling ought to automatically be raised. Yes. But im saying if there is a legitimate purpose for the way we do it, which i dont think is the right way to do it, which is to just stop and examine the whole fiscal situation, not to weaponize it, not to run the economy over a cliff. And everybody has says, nobody has any desire to, one, shut down the government, or default. Thats not some of your colleagues do. Theyre on the record today saying they do. Look, the speaker has demonstrated time and again, not to do that. But he said, lets correct the path were on. We can do that with things in the president s budget. We have the fastest decline in the deficit that weve seen in basically the postwar period. And you can thank, by the way, a lot of that twothirds is from revenue. Congressman, twothirds. By the way, some of it is, some of it isnt, and i voted for that. Congressman tom cole and congressman keith ellison. We need a clean debt vote. Lets do it now. Thank you both, gentleman. All right. Coming up my feeling is that your office initially overcharged her in this case. This is my feeling. Let me this is my feeling. But we cant try it here. There is no justification for 20 years. That was congresswoman Corrine Brown confronting Florida State attorney angela corey after Marissa Alexander was sentenced to 20 years in prison for defending herself against her abusive husband. 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But as the president noted repeatedly, republicans are determined to torpedo the law, using every legislative and extra legislative tactic that they have. Barack obama has learned the hard way, he cannot unilaterally force the republicans to act responsibly. What he can do is call out their rhetoric. Thats exactly what he did, turning his obama care stump speech into a veritable roast of republican lawmakers, who have predicted dire consequences if the law remains intact. According to the president , all this would be funny, if it wasnt so crazy. Some of the tea partys biggest donors, some of the wealthiest men in america, are funding a cynical ad campaign, trying to convince young people not to buy health care at all. But they are actually spending money on television, trying to convince young people that if youve got the choice between getting Affordable Health care or going without health care, you should choose not having any health care. Now, do you think if you get sick or you get hurt, and you get stuff with a massive bill, these same folks, theyre going to help you out . They have made such a big political issue out of this, trying to scare everybody, with lies about death panels and killing granny we should not have a Government Program that determines youre going to pull the plug on grandma. So if it actually works theyll look pretty bad. If it actually works, that will mean that everything they were saying wasnt really true and they were just playing politics. You had a state representative somewhere say that its as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the fugitive slave act. What is obama care . It is a law as destructive to personal and individual liberty as the fugitive slave act of 1850, that allows slave owners to come to New Hampshire and seize africanamericans and use the federal courts to take them back to federal slave states. These are quotes. Im not making this stuff up. And heres one more that ive heard. I like this one. We have to, and im quoting here, we have to repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. Thats why were here because were saying, lets repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. I just want to point out, we still have women, we still have children, we still have senior citizens. All this would be funny if it wasnt so crazy. And once its working really well, i guarantee you they will not call it obama care. Joining me now is congresswoman renee elmers, republican from North Carolina, chair of the republican womens policy committee, and its great to have you back on the show, congresswoman. Are you terrified of running against obama care in 2014, when its successful . You know, the problem here is that its falling apart on its own weight. I know you just played those clips of the president , but the facts of the matter is, its an unworkable system. Why is it unworkable . What we really need to do is put real reforms in place. Why is it unworkable . Insurance rates are going up across this country. In North Carolina alone, for young males, quadrupling in cost congresswoman, youre aware that the rate of increase in health care year over year is at an alltime low over the last ten years or so. The rate is diminishing, we can agree on that fact . The increases have gone up no, theyve gone down. But this is dramatic. And it is as a result of obama care going into effect. Congresswoman, how many people in your district are uninsured . The issue is not how many people are uninsured. The issue is, is this a program that will work . It is not a plan that will work. It just simply is falling apart. Delay after delay but congresswoman, respectfully, it is an issue for those people that are uninsured. And in fact, i think a large part of what the law is designed too, whether you agree with it or not, is to cover those who are uninsured. So i want to know how many people in youre district were talking about. That is the point. Those who are uninsured will remain uninsured and those who have insurance will lose their insurance. There will be jobs that will be lost. We are changing the workweek from 40 hours a week for fulltime to 30 hours a week a week we see this across the country. Congresswoman, we just said you just said that those who are uninsured will remain uninsured. The whole point of the bill, whether you like it or not, or you think its too expensive, a lot of those people will get insurance. In fact, theyre required under law to get insurance. Thats what the individual mandate is, right . Chris, the exchanges arent even ready to go up. Theyre supposed to go in effect october 1st, and i will tell you, they are not ready. This is the problem. We just saw another delay from the Obama Administration today. Delay after dela