Today the president defended his Health Care Law against a chorus of disingenuous critics who are suddenly very concerned that people are having trouble signing up through healthcare. Gov. Obama care is, indeed, a train wreck. I mean, a visit to the website is kind of like a trip to the department of Motor Vehicles in your state. Ive heard that theyve had over 8 million hits, and so far, they have people in the Single Digits that have signed up. Ive been online waiting on hold virtually for 89 straight hours, still cant get signed up. Im hearing firsthand the frustrations from my constituents. One constituent said the program freezes up when i try to enter your tax filing status. This is the same Political Movement that just a few months ago was encouraging people to cripple obama care by not signing up. Theres a grassroots effort sweeping the nation to encourage young people to opt out of the law. Most young people dont realize, they have the opportunity to opt out of obama care. Did you know obama care may be hazardous to your health . May be. Ah the burn your obama Care Campaign is about telling young people that this is bad for you. You know, theres only one small problem with this burn your obama care card plan, there are no such things as obama care cards. Conservatives have gone from antiobama care hysterics to complaining about people not being able to use the law in question. Yes, the very same people who said obama care was going to hurt americans these are hard, working class americans who are on the verge of being punished, because as you said, this law was built on broken promises. Are now saying its a shame the government cant get its website to work. In the 21st century, setting up a website where people can go on and buy something is not that complicate ed complicated. Republicans who said the president s Health Care Law will literally kill people repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. Those republicans are still skeptical, but now theyre much more reasonable. So, lets make this voluntary for people. If its great, people will sign up. If not, people will find another way. And its not surprising, given the governance record of their last president that republicans seem eager at the opportunity to level the score politically. Jonathan strong tweeted is obama care president obamas iraq war . A conservative columnist with the New York Post tweeted this obama speech could be the equivalent of bush speaking from new orleans two weeks after katrina. 4,489 American Service members and over 100,000 civilians died during the iraq war. 1,833 people died in the waters of katrina. Three weeks into the launch of obama care and the website is indeed buggy. So, next time you hear concern from conservatives about obama care implementation, remember, its best not to take medical advice from an undertaker. Joining me now, former congressman barney frank, democrat from massachusetts. Congressman, i imagine you were quite touched by the out pouring of concern and technical critique and acumen being exhibited by the center right in these days of the obama care rollout. How do you see this as someone who has gone through the Health Care Battles over a set of numerous decades . Well, first, i wish it was coming to the center right. I wish we had a center right. I spent most of my time in politics working with people who are in the center right, whether it was mike oxley when he shared the committee or senator alan simpson. The sad fact of american Politics Today is that the right has eaten up its center. Secondly, obviously, it is hypocrisy, but i do want to be clear, the Obama Administration should be severely krit criesed for this, and i frankly resent it. I worked hard for this health care bill. I had some initial doubts about the political staging. I think we finally got it right. And i regret very much that theyre giving the right wing this kind of ammunition. Having said that, i should note that one of the things they did do, which people should give them credit for, was to start this months before it takes effect. The fact is that this will not have any negative effect on anybody until january 1st. So, while its regrettable that they did a lousy job of getting this, its good that they gave themselves some time. Secondly, having been in the Financial Services area for a while, the notion that the government is somehow pe kuehl culiarly unable to do this is ridiculous. Weve seen the high speed platform messups, weve seen ipos go very badly. So, yeah, they should have done a better job and im critical of them, but i believe that it will be fixed in plenty of time before it hurts anybody. And yeah, there is great hypocrisy. And you know, you also have to say this notion of taking over medical care, we cant get the government take this big role in medical care. Actually, it is medicare. Right. We ought to stress, again, the Government Role in medicare, which not even the most right wing republicans are ready to get rid of these days. They thought about it and backed off, is far greater than it will be under the Affordable Health care act. In medicare, there is much more government involvement in the actual delivery of services. Not only that, i mean, one of the great ironies here is, of course, that the paul ryan plan for medicare, or the most recent iteration of it, would be something that looks a lot like the obama care exchanges. Essentially would be, yes, thats what he wants to do for medicare. In fact, thats what the Republican Party has voted in lockstep partisan line for is essentially government running an exchange that medicare would be phased into. And so, i think that and ill tell you this. Please. When i was in office and i got a complaint from someone who felt that he or she was being treated unfairly with regard to Health Insurance, we and my staff of great people learned right away, if they were people who were on medicare, if they were people who there was government involvement, we would have likely been able to help them if they were treated badly. If they were dealing with the private insurance sector where there wasnt a Government Role, there wasnt anything we could do for them. The people being mistreated by the private health sector, whether out of malice or more often out of incompetence, we couldnt help them. With regard to medicare, we could do a much better job. Finally, congressman, do you think were going to see members of congress, republican members of Congress Come around to actually being genuinely invested in fixing the Affordable Care act, in getting it working as opposed to investing in destroying it, the longer it goes on . No. Look, lets be clear, people ask me, when did bipartisanship end in america . It ended on january 21st, 2009. When george bush came to the Democratic Congress in 2008 and said, you know, as a result of these deregulatory policies he didnt admit that, but, were in a terrible situation, we worked with him. 2009, Mitch Mcconnell announces that his number one goal is to defeat obama, and no, they havent been constructive about anything. They didnt cooperate with us, forget about health care, which you may say is a big ideological problem for them. We couldnt get them to work with us in either the house or the senate constructively on financial reform or trying to regulate derivatives, on setting up a consumer bureau. My favorite example, the office of the printer of the United States, which had to be recess appointed because he was being stonewalled by republicans. Former congressman barney frank, thank you so much. Joining me now, michael dyson, professor of sociology at georgetown university. Medicare funding gets approval, more ohioans through the medicaid expansion, which has gotten less coverage, but is doing a lot more than anything were seeing on the exchanges right now. Absolutely right, and its part of the hypocrisy here, because its been an accepted Governmental Program that the republicans dare not now offer a program, then they support it silently, and the irony is, you wont even let this Fledgling Program yes, bugs aside, get buggy with it on the will smith tip. But the reality is, once they get those bugs out, as the president said today, the stuff is good. What its leading to is great, and its comparable to what youre now defending on the other side here. So, you know, its not a matter of apples and oranges. Its apples and apples, and one of them, one set of green, one set of red, but let it go up, so to speak. Let it mature. This is the argument from democrats. 20 years from now, it will be unthinkable for republicans to oppose obama care. Thats a great way of putting it and thats absolutely right, because it will benefit the very people that they ostensively are protecting. Their populous out there that they say, were speaking on behalf of those people, those people will be so ingratiated, so to speak, with this program that they will be the most ardent defenders. I want to play something that senator james inhofe had to say recently about obama care. Okay. Take a listen. A person can find out here in the United States that he has this emergency situation where hes got to have immediate heart surgery. And if youre in a country other than the United States, a lot of them, you cant get it done. In my case, with my age, it would have been about a sixmonth wait, because i hadnt had a heart attack. And so, the message there is that, you know, i say this to all your american listeners, lets hold on to what weve got here. Youre talking to someone right now who probably wouldnt be here if we had socialized medicine in america. Thats inhofe, who just survived a quadruple bypass. That zombie argument that, a, were socializing medicine, and that b, its terrible everywhere else in the world, refuses to die. Oh, my god, and it flies in the face of logic, because first of all, the exact opposite is true. To talk about obama care as socialized medicine, those of us on left and progressives, hey, where is it . Wed love to see it, but it aint here. Medicare expansions a lot more like socialized medicine. Thats the one doing well. Thats right. Thats what theyre riding on, and they keep suckling from it, but they cannot give acknowledge acknowledgement on the other side. And the flip side is people from all over the world, hey, you know, were over here, if something happens to us, were able to get care immediately. Right. So, this argument about socialized medicine being wrong, on the flip side of that argument is, people in other countries that have access to health care in a broad fashion much more likely are to prevent themselves from getting the emergency kind of treatments that were mandated by his and whats fascinating to me here is the fact that what you end up with is republicans and everyone in the political conversation having to take a hard look at the fact that this thing is here now and people are wrestling with it because the stus quo of what a lot of people have is so terrible. Its bad. That i think is what well see develop more politically as this rollout continues. Msnbc contributor michael eric dyson. Thank you so much. Thank you. Coming up i hope washington, in all seriousness, is listening, because this is impacting people in every state, from every corner of this country, and yet, they are tonedeaf. They will not listen to what the reality is, and that is the shame of all this. Well, at least one person was listening and he took it upon himself to rereport the stories of each of Sean Hannitys guests, and he found drum roll they were completely misleading, and that is being nice about it. You know we love hearing from you on facebook and twitter. Republicans are all of a sudden so genuinely upset and concerned about the glitches on obama cares website, so my question for you tonight is, what rightwing issue are you concerned about and think should be trolled the way republicans are trolling obama care . Tweet your answers to allinwithchris. Ill share a couple at the end of the show. t. [ woman ] the technology in these pads. Best creation ever [ female announcer ] always infinity. 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And six of them, theyre here with us tonight to tell their story, which, by the way, the media ignores. Weve been talking about the famed concern conservatives are showing for obama care and its implementation, but the most infamous example of this kind of thing, the crown jewel of conservative health care concern trolling comes from that sean hannity special earlier this month. And not simply because the outright falsehoods that were told about the Health Care Law, but because after hannity brought on those average americans, the three couples, to tell their obama care horror stories, something about it just didnt ring true. Eric stern, a contributor to salon. Com, saw the show and decided to pick up the phone, do some reporting. He spoke to the actual guests and discovered their worries, well, had some holes. Stern first talked with paul cox, who along with his wife, michelle, told Hannity Obama care was limiting the growth of their business. And youd like to hire fulltime employees. We would love to. So, youre going to keep them below 30 hours . Exactly. Wed have to keep them below 30 hours, or not that we wouldnt want to pay it, we just wouldnt be able to stay in business and pay it. The provision of obama care theyre talking about requiring all fulltime workers be offered Health Insurance from their employers only applies to businesses with 50 or more employees. Stern wrote that mr. Cox revealed his company has only four employees, or in other words, their company will not be affected by that provision of obama care. So, what was with all the talk about cutting back workers and accruing costs . There was a long pause, wrote stern. After which he said hed call me back. He never did. Next, he called up kurt and alison, who said this. We dont have insurance for our daughter, who has a preexisting condition, so were looking at probably 20,000 in premiums next year. 19,000. Yeah. Which is how much higher than what it was . Twice as high . Well twice as high. Stern reported that, assuming the couple didnt smoke and was eligible for subsidies, they would get a plan for less than 8,000 a year through obama care, which would include their daughter and her preexisting condition. Finally, stern spoke to the last of three couples, robbie and tina robinson. Our new policy that we can have wont have the same benefits to it. Anything similar, though, is going to rise between like 50 to 72 and it will have things in it that we have no choice, like well have to have maternity benefits, and were not planning on having any more kids. After that couple told eric stern they had no plans to go on healthcare. Gov and actually look for a better deal because they oppose obama care in principle, want nothing to do with it, stern found them a plan thats more than 60 less than their current bill. Im pleased to be joined by eric stern from salon. Com, also deputy secretary of state for montana, senior counsel to former governor of montana, democrat brian sweitzer. Eric, you write in the piece that something about watching this did not sit right with you. What was it . You know, based on what i know about the act, about the Affordable Care act, it just didnt sound right. Nothing that these people were saying sounded like they were really, like, it really would matter come january 1st. And basically, so, i just it just had a funny smell to it, and so, i basically just googled them and i searched them and i picked up the phone and i had a series of conversations with them. And generally, they were pretty helpful. And you know, i want to make clear, they believe they are pessimistic about the upcoming Affordable Care act. They believe its going to be a train wreck, for lack of a better expression. And so, i dont know that they were being dishonest. Paul cox, maybe, but generally speaking, i think theyre just afraid. And the real fault lies with hannity for trying to claim that these people represent the train wreck. Right. Its ridiculous. Well, what you have to do if youre producing that show is you have to vet the stories of the people that are coming on your show to tell you this are actually what they say they are and actually fit under something that obama care changes or would make worse. Right. And obviously, you know, they didnt hannitys producer didnt do his homework. Hannity obviously didnt ask basic questions of anybody prior to running the story and i think its inexcusable. I think you have to do basic work if youre going in front of however many viewers he has, 2, 3 million. Youve got to do your homework. Heres the thing i found fascinating about the episode is i remember this period of time where dick cheney was sort of planting seeds about weapons of mass destruction in iraq and he was running this crazy information laundering operation, which he would plant a story, you know, through judith miller, app