a campaign of sabotage directed at her. anybody who basically wasn't going to play ball and subordinate their professional commitment to the president was going to be targeted by them. and they did it. but we've got to remember this, chris, this isn't exactly mystery at this point. we know what happened. we're trying to fill in -- >> basically -- >> we're just filling in the details at this point. >> the crime was admitted to in the first page of this. we're just in flashback mode of how did we actually get there. okay, there's more breaking news at this hour. nbc news is now reporting exclusively tonight one of the former trump administration official slated to testify next week is going to reveal rudy giuliani and eu ambassador gordon sondland circumvented the national security counsel and white house process to pursue a shadow policy on ukraine.