to outstep my lane godless about this. like this is just transactional. >> yeah, it's so hilarious to see i think the cover story this month is on the virgin mary as like the first christian. christianity today is not a terribly political magazine. which makes it is so significant. it has so mitch impact. i'm a subscriber. it has so much impact. i'm a subscriber. and much more engaged with spiritual, cultural things, and trying to engage with politics. much like billy graham, engaged with politics but somewhat removed. there is some tension there. i truly could not imagine donald trump reading christianity today in his spare time. >> do you see this, jim, fundamentally as essentially the corrupt politics that keeps a city machine together. it's not ideological. it's you get something and we get something and that's the deal? >> it's actually a foisten bargain.