know, the investigation into these ukrainians. but certainly he fits into this category of ukrainians who helped rudy giuliani gather information, dirt on the bidens, helped him arrange this trip to kiev and budapest, during which he met with ukrainian prosecutors and with dur ketch. while we can't say with precision which ones may be targets of the investigation or subjects of the investigation, we know -- because we know the treasury and the intelligence community was ringing the alarm bells about these guys and subsequently sanctioned them, like, this is the universe of folks who an investigation like this would logically look at. >> manhattan federal investigation, the judges appointed a special master to sift through -- the second time we've seen this because of michael cohen.