that is not going to be that bad. >> there was a feeling in both medicine that this was going to be sars one or mers again. so maybe we don't need to put so much energy into this. then you have a totally dysfunctional and incompetent administration, that throws its own testing strategy out the window. its own pandemic strategy out the window. so, there's no backup or when things go wrong, with exactly as you say this kind of overconfidence. it doesn't work out. you don't have leadership at hhs. you don't have leadership at the white house. that can put the resources and energy into thinking why did things really go bad? what should we do? >> this is the quote that stuck with me. there was a feeling this wouldn't be a major outbreak, early on. a cdc lab official told bus venues, saying that senior leaders didn't tuneup to encourage and joshua test manufactures to mobilize. that sentence, that there was going to be a major outbreak early on. that's the epitaph for that whole early response. >> that's very real. i was asking questions january