levels, who had very little understanding of how elections are run in the united states. so i really think that the most significant effort that was made to overturn the election had to have been made in the states. it had to be made with local and state officials. with whom was the responsibility for a certified election in their state. and to a men and women, this pretty much help. they refused to falsify the results of the election. i think that speaks well. the american people are not as dishonest as donald trump would like them to be. >> i want to play an example of that. michigan republican, a man by the name of ban -- came under enormous pressure to not certify in michigan. and it did. i want to play what he said on november 23rd, 2020. because it sort of embodies this kind of spur that ended up i think saving the day.