president all the time. like i said, i talked with him last week. >> on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol was attacked? >> i'd have to go -- i -- i spoke with him that day after. i think after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don't know. i'd have to go back and -- i mean i don't -- i don't know that -- when those conversations happened, but -- but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> well, i'm convinced, are you? that's probably not the only reason jordan will not comply with the committee. we now know that congressman jordan was forwarding along messages to then chief of staff mark meadows and his former house buddy on how to overthrow the election in the days before the insurrection. so it seems just from what we've gotten a glimpse of there's quite a bit there. it's also worth mentioning that there are simply no political incentives for jordan to comply. in the year following january 6th, donald trump has managed to successfully cajole the party back to his side on the question