at the time to, i felt that he had a lot of right wingers and libertarians on. and subsequent of that he sort of announced on the show that he felt that was too harsh with right wingers, so that didn't happen. but it was all well and good. but the point is, he has a very, very important show. he has a huge audience and i think the thing that he doesn't fundamentally understand is that his intent is irrelevant. >> yeah. >> it really is. and i actually think that his intent isn't as bad as a lot of others out there. but his intent is irrelevant. he is spreading misinformation, even in that instagram video that he did, the first three minutes are him trying to prove that misinformation doesn't exist. there is been a changing dynamic with vaccinations and covid over the course of eight months, which of course eight months ago vaccines it a different thing because covid was a different thing. but he doesn't quite get what he is doing in many ways.