>> we have seen -- >> and -- >> we have seen a real get the machines theme emerge from a lot of the reporting out of this, the executive order that was drafted, sort of brainstorming on this. but, this is the first ever document, a direct ask that we have seen in the reporting of saying, can you actually give -- physically give them to us, right? >> i think that is right. this actually goes further than that. the prosecutor did declined to give them the machines. but they got them another way, behind the scenes, giuliani's team helped a local trump supporter follow -- while a lawsuit, didn't get much notice, no one knew what was happening, the judge who had donated to trump a couple weeks earlier, give them access to the machines. they could -- alleging fraud, and that report has become a keystone in the election fraud conspiracy.