have a variety and diversity of anti biden -- doesn't that show how we support intellectual debate? i think what's carlson's doing, is more influential. he kind of know where hannity is or where he is likely to go, but we are seeing from carlson is an essential way in which he can argue a certain kind of intellectual -- he was skeptical and critical of the push to go to war in iraq. it gives him some credibility in a sense, but what he's really doing it is finding a posturing away to be muscular lee anti biden and to be consistent with what trump figures with say without having to support trump directly. he's an anti trump or to the next week. there are echoes of what we heard in the early months of the trump presidency and i guess leading up to it where you had mike flynn and others that had ties to russia, sympathetic to it. jared kushner wanting to create a hotline in between the white