djokovic would be the president of the breakaway parts of ukraine. we have the first impeachment in foreign policy towards ukraine. we now find ourselves here. as a clarifying to you that putin's play on trump and the american electorate was primarily about exactly this point of friction? >> what's clear to me is that putin has this obsession with ukraine. he's willing to do anything to have it back under his control. he thought he could do it through that invasion of ukraine, first in crimea, then donbas. he thought if he controlled donbas, that he might then be able to control all of ukraine's foreign policy, and not let ukraine get out of his grasp. he was concerned that ukraine was moving to europe. he was concerned that it was moving away from russia, and he was absolutely right. the ukrainians want to be european. the ukrainians want to be an