said no to a fly zone, at least it is off the table. what do you believe the u.s. and the west should be offering ukraine in its place? >> we still believe that a no-fly zone is the best way to save civilians from the deaths. the bombing and shelling is massive. you can see it on your screen. they are targeting whole neighborhoods, -- and if nato and other countries do not have the strength to say that they will imply the no fly zone, at least -- then we will need a fire judge from the countries to air defense systems to do it by ourselves. as a mother of an eight year