wilkinson became the first back won towin the pulitzer prize on journalism on a ten year old -- the 1993 midwestern floods. nearly 20 years later in 2010, she wrote the warmth above her sons, and instant classic, won a whole bunch of awards. it's about the black migration north through much of the 20th century. an incredible book. can't recommend it highly enough. then in 2020, she followed that up with cast, the origins of our discontents, an epic explosion of not just american racial hierarchy, but hierarchy across the world -- i was lucky enough to talk to her about her hope for the book on my podcast, why is this happening? >> this actually is not an argument, thisis an invitation to look at ourselves differently. an invitation to understand what wemight have not known or