concerned however, because although paul can certainly tell you, it's possible to cut a deal after one is indicted. it's much easier to cut a deal before that ever happens. and so, if you are a person like rudy giuliani, or mike roman, who was the director of election day operations, he's the guy who tried to deliver those fake elector slates to mike pence, you really want to cut any deal that you are willing and able to cut before either one of those indictments is coming down the pipe for you. >> ball, i guess we will end here on the point about these investigations, there is jack smith, the federal track, there is fani willis, we haven't even gotten into new york this week. but is there any -- not concerned, but maybe overlap. does jack smith look at what fani willis is doing, just from what's available to the public? does that influence what he does or vice versa, or not? >> they are probably not talking to each other.