and you've got republican politicians celebrating it. what is happening here? and are you surprised by how far the pendulum has swung in such a short amount of time? >> i think taking the long view with history, i'm not surprised because when we look at american history, whenever we have achieved or thought to achieve equity, whenever we have put in place anti racist policies, like affirmative action, that have been proven to close racial disparities, you know, in colleges and universities. the typical response historically, like currently, has been that these policies are actually the problem, that these policies are somehow anti white. and so, you had this pretty concerted movement to transform anti racism as the real racism. and that's precisely what