a lot of perennial forces in american life, xenophobia, nativism, isolationism, the will to power, all those forces, raci racism, all those forces are perennial, they ebb and flow in american life. right now they're flowing, we need to get to a place where they're ebbing. what is new is this different conversation and this freelance diplomacy which has scrambled our essential vision of what matters in the world. and that's really what's at stake here. >> can i just say, i was in red square that day. nbc asked president reagan when he was standing with gorbachev, do you still think it's the evil empire. and he said no. remarkable. >> that was another day, another era. >> exactly. >> the coverage doesn't start until jon meacham and andrea mitchell -- guys, i was riveted,