>> and make it a different world? >> exactly. >> detective julissa trapp wanted to speak with both men, of course. but cano lowered up. so she tried gordon, still in a wheelchair after his bike accident. >> hi, stephen. >> hi. >> how are you? i knew this was going to be a lot different than any other interview i had done. he's cunning, manipulative -- >> he didn't have to talk to you. >> he did not have to talk to me. >> are you called? do you want a blight kit? >> if you don't mind. >> no. >> but detective trapp has a way, as they say. you're compassionate? >> thank you,. >> you're welcome. >> you are kind to him. you brought him a blanket. food. >> there are your chips. >> yes, we actually shared two meals together. >> is it spicy? >> i told you. i told you be careful. >> even so, gordon was reluctant, at first.