About . The murder of lorenzen wright. You say they were coming up with ways, you mean we . Where you were to . Yes. Though he took part in the planning, even help to find the location, he said he was not there when that murder occurred. He said that sherra told him about it afterwards. So we met, and the reason that we met was two [inaudible] and i guess they ambushed him. You said you guess, why do you say you get . Because i was not there. Then, jimmy told the jury about lorenzens all the final moments. He said the details came from sherra. They were next to him, they started chasing him, firing at him, chasing him. Jumping the fence, he was jumping like a deer. They caught him. He fell. Defense attorney, john perry, told the jury the state star witness, a convicted killer given immunity in this case should not be trusted