i guess what is coming through here is this combination of defiance in the unthinkable human horrors that are mariupol and something that is very much to type that some of these peace talks that we'd heard about yesterday may, in the view of the ukrainians, be a fakeout from the russians. >> reporter: yes. and you have, beyond just the targeting of civilians now, you have the russians clearly trying to target specific things like food security and medical help using those as weapons of war. whether or not that is to influence these talks, whether or not that is to force the president of ukraine to make concessions that he otherwise wouldn't, i think it's fairly obvious. these wouldn't be used as weapons of war unless you were trying to influence events on the ground. if we look at cities like kharkiv, and we spent a lot of time talking about mariupol, but if we look at kharkiv, they bombed a marketplace there today, a food market that is now