politics try to correct trumpism and trump, you've always got that lagging indicator with voters. they're coming in too late, we're trying to frame it realtime all the time, and that's the spot he lives in. that's the spot he lives in between where he just boom, boom, boom, like fireworks going off. and the noise is so loud and the colors are so bright and beautiful, and people's senses are stunned about what he's actually saying he wants to do to democracy. >> i will say the answer to your question is far too complex, right? >> for 12:30. >> but i will say an entire conversation where you never mention the violent insurrection that occurred on january 6th is not a service to democracy, it is not a service to -- all right, team biden is already commenting and posting about tonight's on-air antics so how is the president feeling about his possible competitors? we're checking in with a cochair of the biden-harris campaign.