gun because he doesn't say if you don't do this for me i'm going to with hold the aid. obviously that's the -- >> i thought he did say that. >> it's a smoking javelin. he said -- >> i want a favor from you, though. you're not going to get this except this. >> it's not just about trying to shakedown a foreign leader. it's about the use of the instruments of state. it's about talking to the white house officials about putting in another server and containing -- >> let me ask you about some, if they had an electronic word for word transcript, is that written, typed up electronically, robotically by listening to the conversation or does it come off of a tape? >> i think they had a sten a stenoographer listening live to that conversation. >> when the president threatened