been nailed, as someone who knew about this from the git-go, conditioning u.s. military aid, the fact of the dirt he wants to get on his opponent, potential opponent, and he would never tell anybody. was he part of carrying this phone conversation, word-by-word transcript hiding in a way in so some subterranean garage where they hide these things? or he didn't tell us whaps happening. >> clearly when he was on that call as your interview showed, he knew a lot more than he was letting on, obviously. >> why was he listening and then denying he was listening in? >> he's been one of the president's staunchest deafers, a. and b, hes had his own political ambitions and he doesn't want to be tied in as walking the balance as one of president trump's biggest defenders, national security adviser official who's been in his