nuclear weapon could be hazardous to yourself. that was the lesson some took after the fall of saddam or gadhafi. and they may decide in this world reliance upon others is simply too uncertain to be a real security policy. >> a scary proposition but a possibility no doubt. david, why do you think americans should pay closer attention to what's happening in ukraine. >> so i'm going to give the standard argument that president biden and his team have been making but it strikes me as being correct. the rules-based order, to use the afraid in quotation marks, on which the united states is partners but really the whole world has relied since 1945, the