far this immunity that donald trump believes he had would extend. questions about whether or not this could apply to someone who ordered someone to kill their political rivals. they danced around that as much as they could. ultimately said that unless donald trump or a theoretical president -- unless a theoretical president was actually impeached and found guilty, then they could not prosecute him. the judge was trying to narrow down donald trump's lawyers to say that -- to admit what this boils down to is their argument that only -- the only way a president can be prosecuted is if he is impeached and found guilty by the senate. the judges could decide on that. they wanted to boil it down to whether that's the argument. in the judges' view, the consensus is that there are other ways for individuals to be held accountable other than just being held -- being impeached and found guilty by the senate. >> joyce, it was interesting to