Thank you, t. J. , ten seconds in. With us on set can we get its a shutdown. Gridlock. Everything is coming down. Pulitzer prize winning historian john meacham, he is the famous author of a famous back book. And sam stein from the huffington post. There is no need to laugh. I think its funny . Water funny . Its just funny, his face comes up, its obviously so much younger than anyone else. Are you saying that sam makes us all feel very old . Yes. Speaking of feeling old, it is day two of the Government Shutdown, seriously and tensions were running high yesterday. Everybody was afraid. Everyone is fighting. Even the media, everything. The twitter is exploding. Look at our graphic. Tj can you do that again, move the closed day two. Cnn, we just get laughed. One, two, three, mika, day two. Oh, wow, we have few answers. What if we had 3d projection, willie . Is thats the same graphic we used in the 96 shutdown. We just kept it around. Why dont we . Have a hologram. Have hans solo and princess lea. And tuac. Cnn had that. Why dont we have that . It will complete your news experience f. You dont have a hologram, how can you understand whats going on in the news . Right . Am i right . Okay. Dont want tupacs hologram next to the wolf . Id be interesting. I dont know what happened yesterday. Yesterday, House Republicans tried to pass a series of stop gap measure, basically band and is that would Fund Agencies like the va, National Parks and the city of washington, d. C. They all failed to get the twothirds to pass. First of all, i dont think those are just band aids. If you live in washington, d. C. And you work in the jobs. If you live in washington, d. C. I agree with this, Eleanor Holmes norn last night got on the floor and said peoples live are at stake here. She was actually talking to the democrats saying pass this piece of legislation, you guys can have your fight over obamacare, but there are people that could have phyte Vital Services tomorrow if you vote for this. The same thing goes for the va. The same thing goes with the parks. Its the republicans who, according to wall street journal even, the republicans have put us here, but make for the mistake of i. Harry reed and barak bar barak barobama are loving all o it. It is the reality t. Va would be funded today if the democrats did not kill the bill and harry reid didnt have an all or nothing strategy. Forget the vote totals. Its the same thing with every, the Park Services would be opened today if they didnt close last night and the same thing goes for washington, d. C. , so again i agree with the wall street journal. This big crisis was brought on by some really im not going to use the word brought on by a certain faction of the Republican Party, but these are not band aids. If you live in washington, d. C. , you need Vital Services, and there ask a bill to take care of that last night. If are you a vet, a world war ii vet, you go to world war ii Veterans Memorial in d. C. And its closed down and the whole, can i go on and on and on, the democrats were the ones that killed those last night. Lets put that, the republicans screwed this up. Put this over here. Think that box is going to glow a little out of place, flanked by people he says are would you disagree with me . I dont think it can take two minutes at the top of the show, given the bigger picture. But im not going to argue that right now. Because i think the president makes a good point, himself here, flankd by people who are benefit fisheries of the Health Care Law. President obama said republicans are putting the countrys economy at risk. No this shutdown is not about deficits or budgets. Its about rolling back our efforts to provide Health Insurance to folks who dont have it. Its all about rolling back the Affordable Care act. This more than age else seems to be what the Republican Party stands for these days. I know its strange that one party would make coping people uninsured the centerpies of their agenda. That apparently is what it is. Yeah. So despite the seemblingly high well that, will bring them zbloegny point is, which is absolutely introduce, the bigger point you have been fortunately is the president and democrats stript the Higher Ground fair or not. You dont want to insure 7 Million People. Okay. Then they just. So the democrats do have the Higher Ground when have you the wroet journal john meacham say, hey, we told you this is a stupid strategy. It is such a co lasally stupid strategy, its hard to physical out how the republicans get out of this colossally stupid strategy. Most know its colossally stupid strategy him we are listening to myself and others beforehand saying this is a colossally stupid strategy, but at the same time, we have all seen this before, the president , harry reed, nancy pelosi, they den want to be too clever. You dont want to overreach. Thats the pulitzer prize. I thought it was a high epic fiction. It could be that, too. I think there is a really interesting gallup poll this week about how the American People now dont trust the American People. The collective wisdom. Not only do we have the faith in congress and the president s Approval Rating is down. I have a jen one confidence that play on both your houses. There may be narrow Tactical Advantage here in the near short term. I think in the six month, 12month window here, i dont think yeb anybody will win. I think, though, mike, we were talking about this before, talked about it yesterday the day before the Republican Party was actually making gains for the First Time Since 2011 ape cross the board in every poll we saw. Provider to this. Prior to this. Barak obama was hot high 40s, lowest numbers of his presidency, you take the shutdown now and whats coming with the debt krolling coming up, to republican, not the entire party, but a couple of republicans of the senate that made this her to calling card, some house member was are calling republicans in the senate, history is going to be pretty clear that they did more to hurt their own party than anybody in a long time. I cant think of a parallel. I really cant think of a parallel. I dont think there is a parallel. A couple of republican senators. One republican senator specifically basically acted the as speaker of the house if controlling the small caucus of republicans in the house that disrupt the function of government and i would imagine, sam stein, that there must be a level of feeling inadequacy within the congress. I mean, people i think in this country foley that we are at a point where perhaps we are a government given the behavior of both parties in washington and i am wondering how much has seeped down into the elected representatives that you speak to. Very much. So i would survey everyone on this show, can you think of a way out at this point . Its very difficult to find something that House Speaker boehner could bring to his own party and say we have a modicum of victory here. Sam what have you heard . Because the wroet journal. I keep going back to it. For people who dont understand why i cope going book to the wroet journal. This is a republican crisis. The Republican Party is desperate to get out of the crisis of their own making of a couple members of the senate, some members of the house, what have you heard on the hill, from republicans . Is there . Fwlaus does not appear to be an escape route. There is not. As far as these republicans. There is not. What i have heard, basically, theyre not going to at this junkture consider a shortterm clone cr, i mean Something Like six weeks to two months and thats pretty much the only escape route. So if thats not on the table, im not swhur sells on the table. Lets go to the votes yesterday, are you right, it puts democrats in a bit of a bind, joe. But there is a reason they were conducted on a twothirds majority. The reason was that procedural maneuver prevented House Democrats from adding a clean cr as an amendment. Everyone in this town knows if a clean cr were brought to the house of the representatives it would have the members there. We are there. When does john boehner finally say screw you guys . Im going to put this on the floor. Were going to threat majority rule. We want to destroy the Republican Party. If you want to vote me out next time, good for you, ill be golfing, you know, ill be golfing at pebble beach next winter. Have fun. Thats a nice golf game. Maybe thats what it takes. Thats the Million Dollar question. Increasingly, when you are talking to lawmakers on the hill, you get a sense this will not be a lasting shutdown. Yesterday, i was hearing from people. Well, it will take until the end of friday. Now you will hear, maybe it will roll into the debt ceiling. Thats two weeks, three weeks of a shutdown. The consequences are pretty doir. Yesterday, the National Institutes of health announced they cant take 30 kids with cancer because of the shutdown. Those stories arent insignificant. Those stories are significant. Regardless of those three shortterm stop gap funding bills that the republicans produced, they did not cover the nih. So there are things left out by the republican plan and it will be painful. Willie that, is so important for members of both sides to this isnt going to be a big deal. Yesterday, we heard the default is not going to be a big dole. There have been deals and the money thats the National Institutes of health is not getting, you dont want to overstate it. You get tired of politicians overstating things. People could do i. People could die because the nih is not getting their funding. Veterans that have given their all for this country will suffer. Real people suffering in a really significant way because of this. Again, because there is a handful of republicans who want to shut down the government if barak barak doesnt defund or delay obamacare. Its never going to happen. Ronald reagan wouldnt give up tax cuts or lbj the great society. Not going to happen. The striking things from the outside is that the two sides arent talking. You think this is a crisis. Theyre in the back rooms, having long steak dinners, figuring out what to do. Its not happening. Speaker boehner and president obama spoke on monday. Theyre not talking. Theyre sitting on their side and they dont know what to do at this point. Republicans now have walked into a blind alley led by certain members of the senate and they dont know where to go next. Do you know who else is not talking, mike barn cal . Republicans. My republican friends and they are plenty are telling me that the leadership is not talking to them. Like nobody is talking to anybody. Democrats arent talking to republicans, be you the leadership is not even talking to the rank and file. No, theyre estrangd from her to membership. The striking aspect of this and i think its beginning to seep down from coasttocoast among people is how did this begin . What is the root of this . And the root of this is one small segment of one Political Party as everybody has been saying in washington. The Republican Party who have chosen to put a flag in the ground over the Affordable Care act. Basically saying, defund the Affordable Care act and i think people are thinking, you know, well, i really dont know what it is. I dont know what obamacare is. Its not great. There is a sign there is a lot of interest. They could get a lot of people signed up. Why werent they ready for that . Isnt that strange . This isnt government, i guess. No, Health Care Exchange is a part of the Affordable Care act. Do you go online . Yeah, i did. You gapped that youtube video. I went on and it says we have been overloaded, whatever, please hang in. We will direct you to the site. It took about ten minutes and it directed me to the site and its obvious i didnt enroll. Its a part of the problem. I havetotake that off my track. So millions of people tried to enrom or lock up Insurance Information on health care. Gov. Thats the federal website serving dozens of states. The site froze on people filling out applications throughout the day. States running their own marketplace, the department of health and Human Services says more than 2. 8 Million People visited the federal exchange yesterday. So thats almost as much as the guy that wrote the alphabet, willie, under water. What . That went to youtube, did you see that . Are they ready for that . Sam stein, why western they ready for that . . You know, for a long time, you know what was the offer . Youb youb videos can have 2. 8 Million People come in a day, putting spoons up their noses. Why wasnt the government ready for this . I guess a part of the problem is the people at barn cal going on there. How does barnicle have a way millions of americans visited the new Online Health exchanges as enrollment opened on tuesday suggesting a Broad National appetite for the affordable coverage that president obama promised with his Health Care Law. Thats a reach. They had to have reached to talk for two minutes about the small impact. I bet. We are talking about how we dont have common conversations, we dont agree on common facts. Yeah. Thats been versus what certain Cable Networks are saying about this mechanical failure means, exhibit a. Yeah, but do you think, john meacham, the millions of poem who locked on were people like barnicle checking it out . No, i dont think so at all. If are you a democrat, you care about making the government work, which is the guiding impetus of the movement that broke the republican majority in 1992. You make sure the website works. You know, the dole, mika and i, of course, we talk to a lot of members of congress, we talk to leadership if congress. We talk to people over at the white house, we talked to some people last woke about this, and the mechanics of it looked very impressive. This is, i understand it can be this is going to work okay, right . Because you get enough, because i said, i am against thissing a. But if you guys can make this run the way you say its going to run and thats good news for my vet friends in northwest florida because then the va can run efficiently and all these other people can run it efficiently and kaboom, im just surprised that the government wasnt ready. They had so much time. Im surprised theyre not ready to handle 2. 8, sam stein, 2. 8 Million People, including barn cam, going on the website. Listen. You cant spin it. Obviously, the website should have been better suited for the influx of traffic that it had. However, if you had to choose between problems. Yes. One, they had great websites. The other is so many poem checking them out while working, i think you want the latter t. Good news for the affordable act, we are talking a long Time Enrollment through march. If there are glitches in the first 24 hours, there is plenty of time to fix them out. What the administration worried about is not that there is tech glitches but they can sustain interest. Because the massachusetts model said people signed up early on and they signed up towards the dead loan. So thats when the paeblg signups are. They node to get people to sign up, not just check it out. Yeah, of course. I think people would pick up papers in their drug store. They said they liked the applicant. I think a lot of people will sign up for this. My frustration actually is not as far as the website correction. This isnt about the Obama Administration, as far as im concerned. This is just about government in general. Why is it, pontiac that, government is so dam inefficient . At every level. At every level. That when they new this was coming that the most, that the tech gurus and the geniuses and the Obama Administration that did an extraordinary job in the campaign, you would like to see those men and women be able to go in the government services, whether its Social Security or whether its the va or whatever it is and figure out how to make government more efficient. Its just government is a black hole. Why couldnt they even get this right . Im not saying the obamas im talking the bureaucracies. I dont care where you live, what registry, go onto the state of the motor vehicles, whatever you call it in this specific state. It is a nightmare. I dont know what it is. The afternoon off got off the health care site, dmv . I did. I fully enrolled in the health care. Give it a week. The guy goes to governmental websites for services he doesnt need. He goes to the dmv health care sites. To talk to some. We need a bio packet. It gets to anger and anxiety about government. I dont think people resent paying taxes so much they resent not getting the best bang for their buck. We dont get it. The government is just not working. The government is just being inefficient on all levels. Some of the websites im going to later today, ill show you. It goes back to the romeo and juliette question. Romeo and juliette . You got, obama care doesnt work, technically, they lose their glitches, you have a hand. Of republicans shutting the whole thing down. I think if you are a normal person, if we you would be looking at t