Idea that unless i say that 20 million, y 20 Million People cant have Health Insurance we wont open the government. That is irresponsible. We have a bunch of folks who think they cant be held responsible. This shutdown is hurting real people. Some even refuse to call it as a shutdown. I think its a slow down. Not a shutdown. People are going to realize they can live with a lot Less Government than what they thought they needed. If that means theyre going to sit this out for a month or two months, lets sit it out. The state of arkansas can help out. Localities can help out. I believe no one is going to star of in arkansas because of this shut down. No one is going to starve because of the shutdown . Heres whats happening where the shutdown is already hurting people. Did you all eat today . No. This six year old got fed when she got home. But the same could not be said for every other child at the boys and girls club. Because the government got shut down our meals were not delivered. I would have to go to work to supply food for my child. One place you might not think would be affected are local food pantries. But if they dont get federal commodities, they have to shut down. Without this food pantry i wont have anything to eat. One mother in utah with two sets of twins says she literally doesnt know how shes going to feed her kids. Money is very tight. Were struggling to afford dierp rs right now. Her youngest has medical problems and has a formula that costs 750 a month. She typically picks this formula up at the wic office for free. They called today saying theyre shutting down. How am i going to feed my kids . What are republicans in washington going to say to that mother . Whats their reason for why she cant get formula for her babies . That they dont like a Health Care Law that has nothing to do with the health care fight . The National Institute of health is being forced to turn away roughly 200 patients each week, including children with cancer from its research center. And heres something really chilling. The man in charge of all intelligence gathering for this country says furloughing his agents has put our National Security at risk. Give been in the intelligence business for about 50 years. Ive never seen anything like this. From my view, i think this on top of the sequestration kwuts that were already taken, that this seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation and its citizens. This is a dreamland for Foreign Intelligence Service to recruit. Its a dreamland for americas enemies and a nightmare for us. But despite all this, republicans are still playing politics. Theyre voting again tonight to fund just some parts of the government and ignore the rest. Its cynical politics. And its hurting real people. Joining me now are congressman Emanual Cleaver of missouri and karen finney. Congressman, how can republicans ignore the real pain this shutdown is already causing people all across the country . Well, i think were living in a parallel universe, because as i listened to the debate on the floor before i came before these camera, im listening to people saying things that are absolutely irrelevant to whats happening in peoples lives, and i think that, you know, the lower Approval Rating that the public has of congress right now is going to drop it further. Now its already dropped down do 10 . And i think saten is probably at 12 . So we are in real bad shape here. But its a parallel ufrs. They cant even see what real people are going through every day. Congressman, there are at least 17 House Republican who r said they two vote for a clean continuing reslation to fund the government without touching obama care. Is there any chance Speaker Boehner would let a bill like that get to the floor in your opinion . I dont think so. And reverend, im going to give you a secret, you and karen a secret. There are more than 17. Ive been speaking with republicans who are not the volatile folk who are causing much of the shutdown who are saying to me very privately, this day, that they believe that they have taken the wrong course and that they would like to see a clean bill come to the floor. Some of them are concerned about and afraid of their base. They think theyll get a primary challenge from a tea partier, but the number is higher than 17. But the speaker, i dont think, is going to allow that to come to the floor because it will pass, and well get more than 17 votes. Now karen, House Republicans are also seeing criticism from other conservatives. Right. Wall street journal editorial page wrote quote, the longer they hold out, the more chances increase that the public will turn against gop governance. And senator tom colburn says quote, theyre going to dig in harder until the pain becomes so bad they yell uncle. How bad will the pain get before they cry uncle, karen . Well, i think we have to make them cry uncle faster than the pain hits the real people. As you were discussing the pain is hitting people. And this is Something Like the sequester where they tried to say that things that were happening werent really happening with the kind of urgency that they are. Were talking about the republicans keeping our government shut down so that people wont get health care, so that children cant be on head start or cant have the food they need to eat. As the congressman says, theyre totally disconnected. But i do think there is a very important opportunity here politically, ill be very political on this, this shows you the incompetence of republican leadership. This is absolute incompetence, and what happened the last time the republicans controlled the house . You had tom delay and a the culture of corruption. I think theres a broader hit that the Republican Party should take on their econoincompetence. Theyre just trying to shut things down and say no. Congressman, i saw you nodding your head when karen started talking about inkpe teps of gop leadership. Its unfortunate that the speaker is being held captive. I really believe John Boehners a good and decent guy who would like to do the right thing. Unfortunately, he feels as if hes held back by a segment of the republican conference. And unfortunately, hes not, at this point, willing to stand up and say, look, im more interested in putting this nation on the right track than keeping my speakership. Unfortunately, i do think that there are people who would probably want to remove him if he put this on the floor. But at some point, you know, youve got to stand up. Howard they armen used to say i you stepon a worm at least it will wiggle. You know, its time for the speaker to wiggle and stand up. Well, hes at the white house right now, meeting with president obama. And i hope he comes out with a little wiggle. Thermen said if you let a little weight off, maybe a worm will run. I hope he runs or wiggles or does something. Karen, you know, the president said today his biggest concern was that it affects middle class families. Yep. Listen to this. The biggest concern that i have day to day, though, is hows this impacting middle class families . Are we creating a system in which ordinary people who are working hard and acting responsibly have an opportunity to get ahead. Every day im tracking how is whats happening here in washington having an impact on that. And what we can say unque givically at the moment is that washington is have ago negative impact on the lives of ordinary people. At the same time, karen, members of congress are still getting paid, but the Huffington Post is reporting that some republicans say they havent decided listen to this havent decided if federal workers will get paid once the shutdown is over. Senator Chuck Grassly said, i would not make a judgment at this point. Senator richard burst said its too early to even consider that. Senators flake and ber owe sa and tim scott said its too early to decide. Paying federal workers who got furloughed because of the shutdown, shouldnt this be easy to decide . I was working in the Clinton Administration during the last shutdown, i was barely making enough money as it was to pay my rent and do what i needed to do. And luckily, we got, we were able to get paid for that time. There are people who literally, they are living month to month on, you know, very little money. When you talk about check to check. Check to check. And when you talk about not getting paid back that money that you lost. Congressman, can you brief theyre talking about its too early to decide whether people should get the money even after . Well, now this is sick. I usually try not to get upset. This is sick when you participate in selfmute illization. And these people through no fault of their own have been laid off, and they are struggling, even when theyre here. Contrary to the myth that people have been pushing out about government workers, nobodys making a lot of money over here. You know, and you got people making 25 and 30,000 a year, struggling in washington, living in apartments with four people. And this paycheck is a big deal when youre making that little money. So when you see republican congressman saying they can do with less, theyre going to see how much less they can do with. They have no idea what is happening and how people are living. I think thats what the president was saying. A paid vacation. They just think maybe we wont pay them. Thank you for your time tonight. And be sure to watch disrupt with karen finney weekends at 4 00 eastern. Right here on msnbc. Ahead, republicans are using world war ii vets as political props in their fight against the president. Well tell you whats really happening at that memorial in washington. And ted cruz was for the shut down fwf he was against it. The man who dragged us over the cliff is now shocked, shocked that the government isnt running. Plus the obama care news that republicans are afraid youll hear about. Its working. And people all across america are signing up. Just with him being in the hospital over the past year and a half, weve wracked over 20, 30,000 in debt. So its huge. Its, not have that worry is big. Im going to feel safe, i feel healthier. We are awaiting a Live Press Conference from congressional leaders at the white house. So stay tuned. [ male announcer ] maybe youve already heard what theyre saying about the nissan altima. And we have to admit, that its all true. 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They literally just voted against working out a compromise. Theyre the ones who want to compromise . Is your head spinning yet . Joining me now, a democratic senator from ohio. Thanks for your time tonight, senator. Thank you. Good to be back. You were a member of the house the last time the government was shut down in 1995. How is this one different . Its different, well, first ill say its the same. They wanted to privatize medicare, Social Security, youre hearing the same thing now. Some of them are saying well, well compromise, well keep the government open. Well do our job. Well do our duty if you pledge to us to go after basically the privatize medicare and Social Security and begin to rein in spending on those wasteful programs they say. Well, the fact is, whats different, though, from now, is newt gingrich, hard for me to say this, but newt beginnings rich showed some maturity in leadership, real identified the country wasnt with him, went to his own caucus and said youve got to do the right thing. John boehners got to make a decision. Is he going to be the speaker of his right wing fringe of his party or the speaker of the u. S. House of representatives and let all members of the house and representatives cast a vote on the it senate clean resolution to open the government . Will the democrats in the senate hold . Will they stand and be firm . Yeah. I think democrats in the senate understand, we understand one fundamental thing. And all of us do. There may be one or two. But by and large we all understand, if the president caves in in any way to this kind of hostage taking on this, then come october 17th on the United States avoiding default, then theyll ask, theyll demand again, were going to default if you dont do this, then, when this sixweek continuing resolution expire, another month, month later, then theyll try to do that here. And well end up lurching from crisis to crisis, unnecessary crisis to unnecessary crisis induced by politicians that want to attach to this document, this lets run the government document, they want to attach to that the Republican Party platform. It really is, the 2012 platform, piece by piece theyre trying to put on these resolutions to get them through the senate and the house, and you dont run a government that way. They lost the election in 2012, forget about that for a minute. You just dont run the government that way by extortion the and the ohio newspapers have said this borders onion american. Another owe newspaper say this is is gop extortion. Ohio newspapers arent known for criticizing republicans by and large. When you say that it brings to my mind this new poll that asks people what they felt the gops highest priority was, senator. 32 said it was causing political problems for the president. 20 said reducing gft debt. 14 said creating more jobs. Thiss third on the list. 13 said the top priority was reducing health care costs. You know, are republicans really willing to hurt the country in order to try and hurt this president . And the public feels they ran saying they wanted to create jobs and the public only feels thats their third highest priority . Yeah, im not surprised by that. When Mitch Mcconnell said his number one priority, not jobs, not balanced budget, not fixing in his view the Health Care Law, the number one priority was to make sure barack obama was not reelected. Something leaders have never said. This is a faction of one party in one house in one branch of government that is holding the whole country hostage to close down the government, because theyre not getting what they want. Were not letting them attach their 2012 Political Party platform to the budget resolution so that they can get their way. And you cant govern that way. Neither party can govern that way. It would be terrible for this country if we start governing that way. Thank you. And thank you also. Youre donating your salary, i understand. During this week to the honor flights. People all over ohio fly in and for many of these veterans in their 80s, first time they have ever been to washington. They get to go to arlington and the world war ii memorial. Its moving to help them. Rush limbaugh slams Michelle Obama again tonight. Im responding. Unh hey lets go [ male announcer ] you can choose to blend in. Yeah yeah yeah or you can choose to blend out. Oh, yeaheah the allnew 2014 lexus is. Its your move. 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President clinton famously said it takes brass to attack a guy for doing what you did. And thats exactly what ted cruz and the political anarkists are doing with this shut down. Their unbelievable new attack has to do with veterans who have been locked out of the word war two memorial in washington because of gops government shut down. Michele bachmann was the first to grandstand. She rushed to the scene, took pictures with vets, shook some hands, and she had the audacity to say this. For political purposes, president obama and harry reid wanted t