jets to ukraine for ukrainian pilots to fly. why do we think it's taking so long to do that? >> well, from my time working though bomb administration, and spending many meetings in the situation room. the lawyers have to examine these issues left to right and center. and the end of the day, we want to limit the risk. we will come into some kind of escalation with the russians. there's also, lots of paperwork involved when we are transferring military -- and the other countries don't want to give away the weapons that they may need, because, again, if putin guesses when ukraine, he's going to start and challenge other countries in the region. potentially including nato countries. it doesn't sound -- >> just before enough time, it's an interesting point. you said that if we allow him ukraine to get his way, then there will be other countries. but doesn't the ukraine war, at least so far, sure that the