of this grand jury. you basically get to know them. they know your witnesses. you know what they're thinking. they ask questions. you understand what's happening. and at the end of the grand jury, what you do is you say to them, i'm going to quickly summarize the evidence for you. and then i'm going to explain the law to you, and you do that, and then you say does anybody have any questions. if the question is what happens if we don't believe witnesses a, b, and c, and if we don't think you net standard, then you don't submit the indictment. you understand what's happening in the grand jury room with the most simple of people skills. so i would find it shocking if that he got no true bill. it would be horrifyingly embarrassing for the prosecutors. >> katy, given that terrific and vivid example of what it's like inside the grand jury room, remind all the good folks