jury, what you do is you say to them, i'm going to quickly summarize the evidence for you. and then i'm going to explain the law to you, and you do that, and then you say does anybody have any questions. if the question is what happens if we don't believe witnesses a, b, and c, and if we don't think you met the standard, then you know you should not submit the indictment. you don't get a no true bill if you're pay attention and doing your job because you understand what's happening in the grand jury room with the most simple of people skills. so i would find it shocking if that he got no true bill. it would be horrifyingly embarrassing for the prosecutors. >> katie, given that terrific and vivid example of what it's like inside the grand jury room, remind all the good folks watching tonight what this case is about and why mccabe might have gone public in such a public way. >> of course. so you have to go back in time to the russia investigation.