or witnesses or instructs the witnesses not to say anything, that itself has to be understood as impeachable. i think that's the key leverage. otherwise the administration stalls, delays, doesn't answer, and you go to court, and you're dragging on. they need to make clear this is it. so i think it has to be narrow, discreet, fast, up or down. there are many other potential, you know, articles of impeachment, but i think in a way you've got to say they're stronger in they focus on this one. it happened the day after mueller testifies on the hill, and he thinks he's free, he doubles down on the questionable, let's say, things he was documented as having done by the mueller report. what does that portend for the future? so i think the democrats can make a very strong case by narrowing the scope, by making it fast, by making it a kind of up or down vote, and maybe a select committee. again, they have to make clear that obstruction is itself going to be grounds for impeachment, i think. >> okay. maya wiley, bill kristol, and