Transcripts For MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240707 : vi

Transcripts For MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240707

Realized. The committee devoted to investigating that day had revealed truths about that day. And yet, the house probe is also underscoring something new to many, trumps plot to overthrow the election was far broader than one day, or prepping a oneday crime spree. It wasnt a legal Coup Conspiracy starting before the election, and lasting months. With criminal plots that had nothing to do with even january 6th and the legal orders by trump that were resisted. So were going to show this to you tonight, how it began with things that are perfectly legal, like Filing Lawsuits to challenge the results, but quickly morphed into something much broader, a conspiracy that involves crimes, the January 6th Insurrection that we know about, but a whole set of other criminal plots. This is vital to any potential set of indictments, and were going to to get to all of that tonight, through the evidence, to show you exactly what is new and what matters. Now, if any of that sounds familiar, remember, thats not the theory the Justice Department used when it first opened its probe. It was not the original view of congress, hence the name january 6th committee. Was this a riot that got Out Of Control . Ultimately a trump ploy that mike pence heroically stopped . Those are common explanations we have heard over time. They are wrong. The evidence available now enables us to report tonight something we could not go to air with say in january, 2021. This was a full Coup Conspiracy. American democracy may turn on whether enough people know that fact. And this evidence that were going to go through tonight, it cuts to the heart of accountability for that Coup Conspiracy, for its leader, and its premeditated plotters and enablers, most of whom never did take a physical step into storming the capitol that day. Which brings us back to the difference between an attack on one day, january 6th and a wider coup attack. More than 850 people have been indicted for the Capitol Vools with more than 320 convictions and counting. Those people at the capitol, the criminal muscle pursuing just one of these plots were going to go through tonight, lets be clear, trump treated them like pawns. The rest of the players on the board, Donald Trumps Coup Plotters and operatives and lawyers, none of them have been indicted for the evidence of a more intricate secret high level set of plots to illegally overthrow then president elect biden. Now, if it was a oneday riot, then that might be the proper legal outcome. But if it was a Coup Conspiracy, and the most powerful people, the ones in white house meetings, garlanded by federal agents with guns, paid for by your tax dollars, wielding the power of prosecution force, even the military, if they ultimately get away with theyre tempted coup, what does that do . The writer doug porter put it simply. If trumps coup attempt goes unpunished, it will become a Training Exercise. Thats where we are right now. The understanding of what happened and what we do about it determines whether this becomes an aberration or a Training Exercise. Those are some of the stakes and the evidence that were going to show you tonight. So we begin, where this began, before election day. Most candidates throw everything at women, trump had a different plan to either win or steal the race as soon as he looked like losing which he telegraphed in september, while his 2016 Campaign Chair steve bannon previewed a very similar declare victory plan. Will you commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transfer of power after the election. We will see what happens. What trumps gonna do is just declare victory. Right . Hes gonna declare victory. Will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified . President trump . Im urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully. There it was. That was the plan. That is evidence of illicit intent. And trump lied and purported to declare victory late on election night. That in itself is unprecedented in american history. It was way late into the night, or the early morning, and we were Fact Checking his claims that he would be the one to decide the results of the election he was running in. Trump is losing right now, in both the popular vote and the electoral vote. Frankly, we did win this election. This is a major fraud in our nation. So well be going to the u. S. Supreme court. We want all voting to stop. The election and the counting and the processing of ballots is not controlled legally by the president. The president would not have to do that if he thought he was going to win the election. And everyone saw that in realtime. And then the House Committee probe showed heres what trumps aides were urging them behind the scenes. My recommendation was to say that the votes are still being counted. I said we should not declare victory. The results were still being counted. One internal debate over messaging does not make for a crime. Candidates can legally lie. Or refuse to ever concede. But heres whats different. Donald trump jr. Was secretly telling trumps top aides, Chief Of Staff meadows, quote, we have multiple paths. We control them all. Was that bluster . Or an admission . Well, our reporter is going to track exactly how that was the plot, several paths, to overturn the result, or steal the race. We counted at least eight distinct plans. Some were legal. We marked them in green. Some are legally debatable marked in yellow but most of them you will see tonight turned either unconstitutional or criminally illegal. These are the big bad red plots to steal the race, to stage an illegal coup and we will show you they spanned weeks and sometimes months. After all of the documents and testimony, it can be hard to see the entire alleged Criminal Conspiracy without seeing these plots on this actual time line. Lets focus right now on those first two. Lawsuits and installing Trump Electors in biden states. Installing is illegal and and trump began with the legal long shots but quickly failed. Over 50 of the campaigns 57 lawsuits ending within a month. None ever made it to the Supreme Court for a hearing. Let alone for a victory. Now, with biden declared the winner, the case seemed kind of like a Side Show Platform for Rudy Giulianis press conferences. At the time few saw them as a real path to holding power. An absolutely fraud. I mean you cant just submit these ballots and not have them checked. Theyre highly suspect ballots. That could have been mickey mouse. That could have been a dead person. Id fire everybody who was involved in this election. But the voters fired trump. And the judges rejected those cases. Thats a reality that matters because if that door closed, trumps staff increasingly turned more focus on installing Trump Electors in states that biden had won. This was a kind of hail mary alternative to court where they are were losing. As early as november, around the election date, rick perfectly secretly lobbied the white house on what he called an aggressive strategy to have republican officials just send their own electors in for trump. And that fraud would somehow in their view override what the actual voters did in those states which biden won. That started early. And Trump Lawyers wrote it up into a formal plan within 11 days of bidens win. A goal to get electors pledged to trump to meet on September 14th And Lie and claim they represented voters in states that went for biden, not trump. But the Electoral College formalized biddens win on that day December 14th as headlines show. That is why some of the people lying for trump pretending they were electors, in states that trump lost, thats why they may end up indicted. Or in prison. They continued on with that electors fraud after that date. But they cant claim they were just alternate electors, you know, just in case a court ruled to change the result in their state or something. No. They kept on with their fraud. To overturn what was the completed and final Electoral College vote. Thats a key point. Now, those are individual random people who are kind of just pretending to be electors. You can think of them, albeit with their fraud as random. But another overlapping thought was pushed by trump lawyer john eastman, the former Clarence Thomas clerk, who republican senators touted for his really interesting research, where he pushed behind those random, and he was pitching entire State Legislators toss the Voting Results for biden and just steal their entire state for trump. One memo pitching this as a state getting to quote choose who won, and saying that trump would win, and they would name the electors. They also sometimes called it a quote legislative override of the whole election. And we now know another republican was texting trumps aide also in november, encouraging the State Legislatures to do that plot. And then mark meadows, that top Chief Of Staff to trump at the time said quote, i love it. Now, at the time, giulianis long line of briefings to State Legislators did seem to many like another desperate direction and reduced to pr. The memos werent public then. Now it looks different. Now it is clearly a part of an organized written Coup Conspiracy getting local republicans to go toss the votes. And if the other paths narrowed by december 7th the white house itself was working on a coup with electors fraud with emails about a quote path to steal the election through these legislatures, and meadows not only saying he liked it or loved it, now he says, quote, he was working on that as of yesterday. Now, mr. Meadows thought that would stay secret. But he ends up marking this plots birth date, if crimes have birth dates. A judge later finding that illicit goal of that plot was quote fully formed by december 7th, which is the date that the coup lawyer i mentioned eastman was also circulating. This is the working of this Coup Conspiracy. That would be wrong, and according to many experts completely illegal, even if there never was an insurrection on the 6th. Now, we checked the records, and some of the unlawful details that had leaked out at the time, but again, this is what is so important tonight. They may have seemed a bit more like delusion and pr at the time than what they look like now which is an indictable Criminal Conspiracy. Tonight, we can report this was a very real attempt to launder and normalize in public what im about to show you, in public at the time, what they, what we now know they were con spearing about in private. Elector fraud and states just stealing the vote. Today, an ultimate state of electors in the contested states is going to vote and were going to send those results up to congress. Something that rudy and the team have worked on, the trump slate of electors are showing up today in the state capitols. We fought to seat the electors. There is an alternate slate of electors voted upon that congress will decide in january. Yes i was part of the process to make thur shure there were alternate electors. Both mr. Eastmans proposals would violate several provisions of the electoral counteract. Mr. Eastman acknowledged that that was the case. We being the duly elected and qualified electors hereby certify for President Trump of the state of florida, number of votes 11. Those last two pieces of evidence that you can hear and see, theyre about the trump lawyer eastman knowing the plots were illegal, admitting that to others in private and the Trump Officials committing what looks like elector fraud. And that brings us to the smoking gun, showing how many of these people knew they were breaking the law in this Coup Conspiracy, when our report continues in just 60 seconds. Ds in the next second, fourteen families will decide. Thats it. Were getting a bigger house finally. But we got to sell this place. Before we buy the next place. And then, in the meantime. So, how long are you staying . Emily no ooh a little cramped. I am cpap man. That is not a toy or skip the inlaws. Sell and buy your house with confidence with opendoor. Move when youre ready. Thats it. Indeed. When lifes doors open, well handle the house. This is a Special Report on trumps coup plot and how it looks worse when you view all of the evidence together with the plotters aware their plan was illegal. And by the time this all ended, they were seeking pardons, which are for criminals, and pleading the fifth. Dr. Eastman emailed Rudy Giuliani and requested that he be included on a list of potential recipients of the president ial pardon. A witness against myself. Did Rudy Giuliani ever suggest that he was interested in receiving a president ial pardon related to january 6th . He did. Key point. Many of those people wanted pardons, totally separate from the january 6th violence. And that is important as we look at a different plot. Trumps effort to get a coup planner who would go farther than giuliani, his lawyer, sidney powell. She would go even farther. So the plan was to take her off the Campaign Team and try to install her inside the government to get the military to seize Voting Machines. An illegal order that several lawyers warned could land them and even trump in prison. So here, trump turned to the more Standard Approach to a coup that we see in so many parts of world history. Try to abuse the military. Now, military leaders have said, and veterans have said, that generals who refuse this kind of order to get soldiers to seize Voting Machines just like they refuse an order to say bomb the opposing partys headquarters, a point made in a white house meeting as a nutty screaming mess. What they were proposing i thought was nuts. Sidney powell was fighting. Trump did back down on that very bad rad illegal plan. And by the way quitting an illegal coup would be a good thing but this was a military plot. Another Conspiracy Prong that hits a dead end. And this is keechlt because facing that dead end, late that same night of december 18th, trump turned to the other plot pushed by eastman and navarro. Posting what is now an infamous tweet that announces the january 6th rally, beginning, quote, Peter Navarro releases 36page report alleging elect fraud, more than sufficient to swing victory to trump. That was the lie trump needed to build on, and then he summoned the people to dc for the first time. Quote, big protest in dc on january 6th. Be there, will be wild. Thats the first time trump ever told supporters there was a place to come join this fight. And none of this happened in isolation. The evidence of trumps Criminal Intent is worse when all the facts are shown about the plot. So lets take a look. Trump began the public operation to Sabotage January 6th as a certified vote, which was criminal, only after hitting this dead end in the failed plot to have the military help a coup. His lawyers warned him of the criminal issues here. The Criminal Intent and actions of that military plot. And he still moved, continuously, from that conspiracy, to this one. Thats damning evidence if prosecutors are indicting a broader conspiracy. And the white house aide connecting those plots is navarro, to help seek in the military plotters there, and part of january 6th trumps announcement and begins with the navarro plan, and it is notable navarro has fought so hard to hide his own evidence and testimony while trying to spin his own role. Even he began denying any involvement in the plot about the military seizing Voting Machines, which he actually used to push in public. It was a bad idea or wrong to pursue the military to seize american Voting Machines . That, i would like to get more to the bottom of. Thats not something that i would have put forward by any stretch of the imagination. I think we need a Special Counsel to be put in place before Inauguration Day to get to the bottom of this. I think we need to see a lot of those Voting Machines. Special counsel powell, seize votes machines to the military, he was pushing that in public. Now, as trump moved from that Voting Machines idea, which did hit another brick wall, to this emphasis on january 6th, you get to that other plot to get the pence plan going. And this intensified. Lawyers arguing that mike pence could have used his ceremonial role not just to open the votes on the 6th but quote to count them. They argued pence would be the ultimate arbiter. A point that trump advocated in public and that the evidence suggests would be discussed when he then held a meeting with republican lawmakers on december 21st, for hours, about what they would do. Those plots are the context for trump seeking

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