ambassador taylor then laid out in painstaking detail what he described as an irregular informal channel of u.s. policymaking with respect to ukraine, one which included then-special envoy kurt volker, ambassador sondland, secretary of energy rick perry, and as i subsequently learned, mr. giuliani." mr. taylor described a video conference call on july 18th when he heard a staff person at the office of management and budget say there was a hold on security assistance to ukraine, and that that order came from the president to mick mulvaney and from mick mulvaney to omb. mick mulvaney is in even more need of a criminal defense lawyer tonight than he was before william taylor's testimony. william taylor's testimony differs sharply with gordon sondland's under-oath testimony to the same committees. gordon sondland said under oath in his opening statement, "i do not recall any discussions with