her today and asked her for her reaction to reported testimony including text messages about what donald trump and rudy giuliani were trying to do to ukraine. >> reporter: what do you make of these incredulous text messages that have come out from him questioning the administration policy on ukraine from after he got back into the country? >> well, he walked into a rat's nest, and i think that -- and the rats there are very big. >> representative marcy kaptur is co-chair of the ukraine caucus in the house of representatives. she serves as chairwoman of the house appropriations subcommittee on energy which has jurisdiction over the department of energy, which, of course, is led by secretary rick perry. congresswoman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> i want to get your reaction to what we're learning today yl he definitely had a hand in some of this communication about