notes the foreign service trains its officers particularly its political counselors to have complete recall of what goes on. because they find themselves in many situations where they cannot write a memo, they cannot do contemporaneous notes. but never in all of my life except when i served at the state department over 11 years did i see anything like this where these foreign service officers recall it all. and i think david holmes is to be really thanked for being a patriot like so many of his other colleagues have over the last few days and come all the way from kiev to give this testimony not only about this gob smacking call that happened in the open without any operational security whatsoever as you've already pointed out, but really was sharing all kinds of stuff with staff without