the pay-fors, the offsets, whatever you want to talk about, to me that's secondary. this is about what we're really proposing to do for the american people. >> well, let's just concentrate on the secondary for a moment because it is one of the final pieces. >> all right. >> as the speaker said, 90% of this is agreed to, and what isn't agreed to yet because of senator sinema is the pay-for piece of it which involves taxation. so richie neil, chairman of the house ways and means committee, has already marked up, as they say, written a bill in that committee that does not include any of these concepts that are now being studied by senator warren, by ron wyden, chairman of the senate finance committee. that's a pretty dramatic last-minute kind of change to have to make. it sounded like chairman neil is extremely reluctant to do this. >> well, i talked to chairman