but is there a calculation, whereby, there is a safe -- sorry, face saving way to get putin an off ramp of this war? >> i think there are few problems. here the first one is that we don't really see that much offering putin these off-ramps. there is nothing really said about what russia would do to have the sanctions lifted. would it be giving up the context? would it be giving up crimea? no one has really mentioned. it it seems like the development have just been to inflict damage. which they have definitely exceeded in. but there hasn't really been an effort for this for what put dina said has nothing. it is not just a measure of containment. the west doesn't want russia to