forces. speaking in russia, pleading to them to not trust their commanders. save your lives and leave. joining me now is anastasia idol, a russian born writer and social historian who works at the university of california uppercuts lifelong learning institute. she is the author of russia, putin's playground. anastasia, thank you for joining us this evening. talk to us a little bit about why you see this war as -- >> look, between thank you for having me. between my husband anna. we probably have about a dozen ukrainian relatives right now in kyiv. in odessa and i have been talking with mine over this weekend. and the overarching emotion that i got from them as the sense of shock and sense of betrayal. how could putin and the russians condemn this to this.