to spend time worrying about and providing so much loyalty to the trump and the family. working on myself every day. >> here with me now is betsy woodruff swann, i always love talking to you. because you have so much information about what is going on with this january 6th committee, there is so much information. let's talk about who's cooperating and what they're doing and what they're doing about those whose information they need, like jeffrey clark and john eastman who do not appear to be cooperating. >> both of these men have pleaded the fifth. clark engaged in a lot of other strategies to try to explain away his refusal to cooperate with the committee before he pleaded the fifth. so legally, he could be in a tougher spot than eastman is. but the question for the committee now is with both of